From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Maxime Devos Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: [patch] Add instructions for sending patches Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 19:33:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87czm3rx12.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16904"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.3-1 To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" , guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 11 20:52:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mw8Ps-0004CI-34 for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:52:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37702 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mw8Pq-0002MT-Ud for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:52:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51394) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mw87M-0001VZ-7e for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:33:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a02:1800:120:4::f00:14] (port=41432 helo=xavier.telenet-ops.be) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mw87J-0007jP-Ud for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:33:11 -0500 Original-Received: from ptr-bvsjgyhxw7psv60dyze.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be ([IPv6:2a02:1811:8c09:9d00:3c5f:2eff:feb0:ba5a]) by xavier.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id V7Z22600A4UW6Th017Z24G; Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:33:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87czm3rx12.fsf@web.de> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telenet.be; s=r21; t=1639251182; bh=sE6S8H1VCmTiqS0a+U7fnR4tdS3Oik6UWBan0NMX3LE=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=smX2HqNZaBF8b3eu++AGYEp28tt2El+M2XL4/qhMMQZ/HnT7pvO3SoOHuvij4mxBX ZWXidrITqGcZkD2zatNZEmbk1zUD7UaCdhfFAA9yM1IcR+1lsl7ub+rnl7OM270Y04 l6oLD+ADqTRXje14FewIGdhDtDDk1dV2e1UP1hwHjRgMEchEZEm+dPXWMwdN6EqlM8 qbt141iBcjVfKjNK5lHa+sHRKH1NDU8nelPXynbFuCWqtMTN0Ii1f6BvmY5M5mwANq Hs4Ya2NWp7ZRVdJghPW7ZPj1kFCyBo2LXg78yv6AakBl8EnjCcvYenv5tDa80IXS1m dyE7q0nzFNyLg== X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a02:1800:120:4::f00:14 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:1800:120:4::f00:14; envelope-from=maximedevos@telenet.be; helo=xavier.telenet-ops.be X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20998 Archived-At: Hi, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide schreef op za 11-12-2021 om 16:12 [+0100]: > + (p "To contribute small improvements, please send patches to > " > +    (a (@ (href "mailto:guile-devel@gnu.org")) > "guile-devel@gnu.org") > +       ".") What about contributing _large_ improvements? Where should patches for large improvements go? > + (p "For larger changes, please discuss them first in the " > + (a (@ (href "https://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/guile-> devel/")) "development mailing list") What if I tried to discuss them, but nobody answered? (https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=46258) (Not 100% accurate though, because I discussed the interface on IRC a bit IIRC? I can't find it in the logs anymore though.) What if, I then proceed with writing the patches, and nobody responds with some points to work on or applies it? (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2021-03/msg00026.html) (The only response is a +1-style response.) What if, eight months later, I send a simplified patch series, with things made more consistent, and with much more tests, and this time, there is exactly one response, with a minor point that is quickly addressed (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2021-11/msg00019.html), but the patches aren't applied? There have been many commits and two releases since the first patch series (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/log/?id=653cc0bf953a11432f77ade9c007848e947cc430&qt=range&q=653cc0bf953a11432f77ade9c007848e947cc430..HEAD&ofs=100) , without any signs that it will actually ever be applied. So I guess what I'm trying to say, is that while your patch documenting how to contribute seems reasonable to me, it has been very inaccurate for me in practice (not your fault!). Greetings, Maxime