From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Amirouche Boubekki Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: New logo and website design proposal Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:47:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <12940f8a9be1fde49c9e9700480893a3@openmailbox.org> <877fnqlqtm.fsf@gmail.com> <574f30d4f5b0aef083a39ea7ad89fced@openmailbox.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442581458 29141 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2015 13:04:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel-bounces+amirouche+dev=hypermove.net@gnu.org, guile-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_Felipe_L=C3=B3pez_Acevedo?= Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 18 15:04:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcvKY-0003m8-IG for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:03:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38017 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcvKY-0005OJ-2x for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:03:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35652) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcsGa-00017u-Hk for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcsGZ-0000rG-69 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:47:40 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::196]:54299) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcsGU-0000p6-99; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:47:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.151]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C54F173CC7; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:47:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter23-d.gandi.net Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([IPv6:::ffff:217.70.183.196]) by mfilter23-d.gandi.net (mfilter23-d.gandi.net [::ffff:10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9YsCR7ED5TE; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:47:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 10.58.1.142 Original-Received: from webmail.gandi.net (unknown [10.58.1.142]) (Authenticated sender: amirouche@hypermove.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8234F172706; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:47:30 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <574f30d4f5b0aef083a39ea7ad89fced@openmailbox.org> X-Sender: amirouche@hypermove.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.1.2 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4b98:c:538::196 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:03:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17844 Archived-At: Le 2015-09-17 16:59, Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > On 2015-09-16 03:19, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: >> Beautiful! >>=20 >> Like Chris, I love the demographically agnostic, yet incredibly=20 >> inviting >> drawings. I also love the overall crisp and modern feel to the whole >> site including the proposed new logos. >>=20 >> Fantastic :-) +1, I really like the design, I find it well done and welcoming except=20 the following... >=20 > I also read on IRC that someone said the drawings were childish. >=20 Some one corrected me. What I mean is that it doesn't look **serious**=20 enough in the sens that the drawings would fit way better a tutorial about=20 Guile that targets children. And I think, it's better to save those drawings that and come=20 with other illustrations/photos that are more explicit about each topic. There should be a better place between "corporate/megacorp", "chilren=20 friendly", "academics" and "startup" designs. Maybe if the toons had a gnu/friendly=20 monster/robot face instead of human faces it will look less "primary school". Like I=20 said the drawing, I'm wondering whether it's for the correct audience. Some comments on other webites: - python.org, djangoproject.com, and rust-lang.org look to too=20 impersonnal/dull - ruby-lang is simple and impersonnal but I think the logo makes it work=20 great - kivy.org is really well made - http://elm-lang.org/ nice, not too dull Really the design is really well made, no problem with that, I just want=20 to be sure that we won't disappoint the main audience and attract a lot of newsbies=20 which i think we are not ready for. If I can vote, I will +0. I other comments, I think that: - The header menu should use the same ordering as the guix header menu - It should have bulllet points (!) something like=20 https://www.rust-lang.org/ This kind of standard a lot of people do that in their README - It should have a code snippet Last but not least, the website is focusing on explaining that Guile is=20 an **extension** language. I don't use it as such and neither do many=20 other, "it a general programming language with appealing embedding features". Most people looking for language look for a language to program their=20 car/house, website, make REST apis, build games, script their system and some to=20 extend their software to provide multiple extension language with the same API. This=20 is a really massive feature of Guile and a deserve a full block, but other aspects=20 of the Guile must appear in the page. I think it is bad rep to call it "script" language. I think it's written nowhere that it's a scheme language following srfi=20 and RNRS specifications. Honestly it was an another argument for me to start using Guile, instead=20 of Racket. >=20 > I understand. But I hope that the "Applications using guile" section > will erase any wrong impressions that some people may get after seeing > the illustrations. >=20 This design IMO target better young people, I am not sure that's the=20 image Guile wants to show at first glance. Hope this helps, Amirouche >=20 > P. S.: Nala Ginrut, I put your two cents in my pocket, thanks :) >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo writes: >>=20 >>> Hello list, >>>=20 >>> As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these=20 >>> visual >>> modifications for the logo and the website. >>>=20 >>> Logo >>> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal= -2015-06-16.png >>>=20 >>> Website mockup (some rough sketches here) >>> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015= -09-15.png >>>=20 >>> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image= =20 >>> of >>> the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Your comments are very welcomed, --=20 Amirouche ~ amz3 ~ http://www.hyperdev.fr