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From: Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>
To: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Cc: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>,
	"guile-user@gnu.org" <guile-user@gnu.org>,
	guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: anyone define port types?
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 21:42:04 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1603312123540.8961@wedemob> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87egarvb5p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net>

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:

> Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> GOOPS' has the worst possible object model: objects are seen as mere
>>> data records. The concept of a "slot" is an anathema to OOP.
>>
>> Ok, I have updated the example to use accessor functions instead of
>> "slot-ref".
>
> (get-x) is only a fig leaf for (slot-ref). In general, no user of an <a>
> object should think the object holds a piece of information called x.
> Instead, you should be interacting with the abstract object <a>.
Well, actually (get-x) is a generic as well. I.e. it is polymorphic and 
does not have to be a simple accessor for a slot. I.e. the accessor syntax 
is just a shortcut for declaring a generic for accessing a slot 
separately:

(use-modules (oop goops))
(define-class <a> () (x #:init-keyword #:x))
(define-method (get-x (self <a>)) (slot-ref self 'x))

"get-x" can be defined differently for each class and its implementation 
can be doing something different than accessing a slot.

>
> Python people call it duck-typing.
>
> Java, Go et al use interfaces.
>
> Even C can do opaque structs.
>
> C++ suffers from "private" data members, and GOOPS strips away even that
> thin veil.

Here is an example using duck-typing with the generic "get-x":

(define-class <b> ())
(define-method (get-x (self <b>)) 123)
(define-method (use-duck-typing (x <object>)) (get-x x))
(use-duck-typing (make <a> #:x 3))
; => 3
(use-duck-typing (make <b>))
; => 123



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-31 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-28 19:04 anyone define port types? Andy Wingo
2016-03-28 23:53 ` Matt Wette
2016-04-05 14:06   ` Mark H Weaver
2016-04-05 23:55     ` Matt Wette
2016-06-11 16:50       ` Andy Wingo
2016-03-29  7:58 ` tomas
2016-03-29  8:52 ` Nala Ginrut
2016-03-30  6:29 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 11:18   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2016-03-30 17:17     ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 17:53       ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:02         ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 19:57           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-31 16:11             ` Barry Fishman
2016-03-31 19:28               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:43         ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-30 20:07           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 21:01             ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-30 22:44               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-31 20:42                 ` Jan Wedekind [this message]
2016-03-31 22:28                   ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-11 16:53   ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-01 14:38 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 16:57   ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-14 14:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 17:02   ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-12  8:25     ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19  9:13       ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19  9:55         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-19 15:27           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 15:33         ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19 17:48           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 20:09             ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20  3:38               ` William ML Leslie
2016-06-20  6:45                 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20  7:34                   ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-20  9:01                     ` Chris Vine
2016-06-22 22:44                       ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23  7:36                         ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23  8:56                           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23  9:24                           ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23  9:50                             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-23 10:43                             ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23 11:49                               ` William ML Leslie

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