From: Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>
To: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
Cc: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>,
"guile-user@gnu.org" <guile-user@gnu.org>,
guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: anyone define port types?
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 22:01:41 +0100 (BST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1603302151520.12120@wedemob> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87shz7vifl.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net>
On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>:
>
>> GOOPS supports "open" classes and multiple-dispatch. E.g. you can extend
>> the "write" method to control how an object is displayed within the
>> Guile REPL [1]. Another interesting approach are multi-methods in
>> Clojure which don't even require explicit types for dispatching.
>>
>> [1] http://wedesoft.de/oop-with-goops.html
>
> Your example demonstrates my problem with GOOPS: you are redefining
> (display) by penetrating the black box with (slot-ref). What would
> happen to your method if I changed the implementation of <a> so it
> no longer has the slot x, even virtually.
>
> GOOPS' has the worst possible object model: objects are seen as mere
> data records. The concept of a "slot" is an anathema to OOP.
>
> Think of a UNIX file. You access it through open(2), write(2), read(2),
> close(2) and so on. You don't know and you shouldn't care how the file
> contents are organized on the disk (if there is a disk!). GOOPS would
> like to abandon the system calls and just expose the bytes (slots) on
> the disk. Then, GOOPS lets you define any kind of system calls you see
> fit.
>
>
> Marko
Ok, I have updated the example to use accessor functions instead of
"slot-ref". But yes, a GOOPS generic only dispatches on types where
instances in turn need to define slots (attributes). That's why I pointed
out Clojure multimethods which uses a more flexible dispatch mechanism
(using an inheritance graph and dispatching on the return value of an
arbitrary function).
GOOPS (as well as Clojure multimethods) provide "open" classes and
multiple-dispatch. Two things which I can really recommend to play with.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-30 21:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-28 19:04 anyone define port types? Andy Wingo
2016-03-28 23:53 ` Matt Wette
2016-04-05 14:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2016-04-05 23:55 ` Matt Wette
2016-06-11 16:50 ` Andy Wingo
2016-03-29 7:58 ` tomas
2016-03-29 8:52 ` Nala Ginrut
2016-03-30 6:29 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 11:18 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2016-03-30 17:17 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 17:53 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:02 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 19:57 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-31 16:11 ` Barry Fishman
2016-03-31 19:28 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:43 ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-30 20:07 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 21:01 ` Jan Wedekind [this message]
2016-03-30 22:44 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-31 20:42 ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-31 22:28 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-11 16:53 ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-01 14:38 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 16:57 ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-14 14:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 17:02 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-12 8:25 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19 9:13 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 9:55 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-19 15:27 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 15:33 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19 17:48 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 20:09 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20 3:38 ` William ML Leslie
2016-06-20 6:45 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20 7:34 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-20 9:01 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-22 22:44 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23 7:36 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23 8:56 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23 9:24 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23 9:50 ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-23 10:43 ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23 11:49 ` William ML Leslie
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