From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: GPT-4 knows Guile! :) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87wn3e5v17.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HCUAKJaP4UjyL8Le" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 19 22:23:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pe0Uj-0001M8-6F for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:23:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pe0UN-000271-6t; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:22:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pe0UK-00026l-Sh for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:22:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pe0UI-0000BP-TF for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 17:22:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ifYIMFOm3kp2Yuz+OtrP/Qss0cXllmuEcW9HJv71pO8=; b=E/zDsTJTtbMMa4JcYmg4EvJpVo Sw7GLU1Et6ZxcsEadAbvpGPMeut6pm0h0BrK2yC3haPMKOZmc4VzXM0eLseysyt7746Naj8a1fP7b iar2FiuX2bdw+iSrl7IChvwVP4sC312ESatd1P++oQ5j/AVF0C3VZ0aUoWP2kbsoCkPsAS4h9TxVf abIt0k6cJJ777f1ouQrKrIUC8ptus8ppOQSwnoHJUrUV7yoODw+b1SSPevdtQD8YJ3e76MZIGEkiA myNV7hpaEaONbuBdsm8DLdEoWdqNnqhoeHRA8BxkzUeTBe3SXpLUV1R058IsJnlROCOvb0L1T9z05 hHGudNkA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pe0UD-0007pD-Fe; Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:22:41 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87wn3e5v17.fsf@web.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:21800 Archived-At: --HCUAKJaP4UjyL8Le Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 09:21:37AM +0100, Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >=20 > writes: > > I'd apply Clarke's Razor:"A sufficiently advanced form of malice > > is not distinguishable from stupidity" >=20 > I love this! Thank you for sharing! I reflected a bit on its genesis. It started while working deep in a big company's belly -- I observed that, while the majority of the people working in there where nice persons, the whole had something evil in its behaviour and actions. There I came up with the concept of "emergent evil", like the emergent behaviour you might observe in an anthill. While pondering this, I further realised that higher management's job was to actually steer this emergent behaviour, and came to the conclusion that a higher manager wasn't worth its salt if (s)he didn't master this skill (and wouldn't probably stay at this job). Whether that happens consciously or unconciously. Mix in some plausible deniability ("steer", not "do"), and that pastiche came up. Cheers --=20 t --HCUAKJaP4UjyL8Le Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZBd9GQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RpnhAJ98pIpSOPYOMBa9/ZOTSBborJxUxACbBFbVn/7pnnvhfJySAkQZeMKiTrU= =IhBi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HCUAKJaP4UjyL8Le--