From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: GPT-4 knows Guile! :) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:36:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="imunzmRKgVq+Ox6e" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23721"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Mikael Djurfeldt Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 09:36:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdS3E-0005zf-0J for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:36:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdS35-0007xX-6B; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 04:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdS34-0007xM-Bt for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 04:36:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdS32-00077D-Mz for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 04:36:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject :Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1kC9w+YyBOJsFwInPgx+oarNYHE1BdsVkwmOpsWSuLg=; b=DeqMreE8lQXKzUDlKkloLbnOSv Dejx0KhaRtyRDlehOi85h/Dg5UldvhPk47PYt1rc/OKbZadAjIf4HntTPs9RZcwsW4hptxjB96bjx T0ySqE9rcoDhGax3MeUPUxXElBtlsKLUIBV/CGMRbPL5jTiVJcCJEw5+iUjzzbZTkGBkTPDfTlCFY /3JVuorhBPiT9n2rjF7+6PyLIeA5jlmTIUAwg3D/1hLngIkpeLGaPh2UkSO2Cs97HtXOo867DOFeW 8Q06pBmvtlBD/0vqeSAqOdB+rSzLSJx1d93uTyLfi8UgB3JIY0R7TpLP3UwrIT3bpADRmNUzIIQXk hrdYlFrQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdS2v-0005g2-OY; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:36:13 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:21789 Archived-At: --imunzmRKgVq+Ox6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 09:22:43AM +0100, Mikael Djurfeldt wrote: > BTW, in the bouncing ball example, I find it amazing that I could get an > improvement of the code by complaining: >=20 > But all those SDL_ calls look like C bindings. Please use guile-sdl2 > bindings. >=20 > (It was also quite entertaining that I had to ask it to write the code > "according to the guile-sdl2 manual".) Perhaps you didn't know, but you are training the model :-) This is called gamification, latest known in early 2000s. Luis von Ahn [1] did quite a bit of pioneering work in that (he called it "human computation", his PhD was "Games With a Purpose", Google licensed a game from him to make people "out there" tag images for them. So I'd say this is established "technology". Cheers [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_von_Ahn --=20 t --imunzmRKgVq+Ox6e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZBV3/QAKCRAFyCz1etHa RoHTAJwLlaKO23Siry7HRT9WCbjn9SKzdwCfc/C4EaO7tpI8OPaiFxn9ZK8ax74= =TIpx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --imunzmRKgVq+Ox6e--