From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Attila Lendvai Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:29:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20240629002027.13853-1-richard@freakingpenguin.com> <87h6co21qv.fsf@laura> <87r0bsxpoe.fsf@web.de> <4d9d9c2e-0830-4267-b8e5-1a50cb815508@msavoritias.me> <0ca709eb-5d14-4ce7-a27e-3b7367bde44d@lassi.io> <877cdk10s6.fsf@laura> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40023"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Olivier Dion , Lassi Kortela , MSavoritias , guile-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 17 18:29:47 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sU7XG-000A9u-T9 for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:29:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sU7X2-0008Of-AI; Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sU7Wy-0008OO-Ez for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:29:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4317.proton.ch ([185.70.43.17]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sU7Wq-0003cc-Si for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:29:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lendvai.name; s=protonmail2; t=1721233750; x=1721492950; bh=VzYISg45z15eV1WuZevhdrnlqQ4+H5OlCR7FZEq5gug=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=KpZboroau20MkJ0e0mUVnUnHVqinfaQXBjDpY6gdlJJCXXscUKvrMArcxBrzP06j7 OTNDdkf533akNo9M0iN/dZnv7KAaEUT4SFH7SRJxuNaRCFkSGvD49OLPwZFPY+Hx3w rpTaZQu0yO+Gmk7Hkyz77Mem7/Tl9gGzWnT08T4DBvyHLFDZ3MC7GPLcVh5lN0ESpU 2aWj3UobhauM789W0YrTf995MIKeKxt+fdBabgJTPwCusQ2xV6bdEL9l8ci55pIHRc NyvBYsfDmlq20e5FB5Ut0rV/vrJ1T6TaeW2CTz3sRIpY6mHZbUkoPnsY8I7s8x7GwO SbmCSeqfGJagA== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 28384833:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: a79ce6495cee11a7a7eae7bb58b93002962f5c8c Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.17; envelope-from=attila@lendvai.name; helo=mail-4317.proton.ch X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:22581 Archived-At: i feel the urge to point out that nowadays (i.e. with tools like guix) ther= e are new ways to "retain" backwards compatibility. as long as one can trivially grab a guile-3-latest, or even depend on it in= definitely, then it's not such a big issue that guile-25 is not backwards c= ompatible with guile-3 anymore. IOW, if you don't want changes in your dependencies, then just don't update= them. nevertheless, a cost-benefit analysis still applies to refactorings, but i = think the cost side is smaller than it is implied in this discussion. (it's not an argument against retaining an ice-9 alias. and if it can be do= ne without much of a maintenance burden, then possibly even indefinitely.) --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CIn your journey to healing, you will learn to appreciate the many = faceted qualities of others. Your early impressions will grow more accurate= and you will use your trust more wisely. As your boundaries become more cl= early defined, you will detect more quickly when others violate them. When = the wounds are healed, the sharks will no longer circle.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Richard Moskovitz, 'Lost in the Mirror'