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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Ian Grant <ian.a.n.grant@googlemail.com>
Cc: torvalds@osdl.org, lightning@gnu.org, deraadt@theos.com,
	Markus.Kuhn@cl.cam.ac.uk, guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Reinterpreting the compiler source code
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:16:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1XQOHj-0006L5-Oz@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKFjmdwHAmBu4Vm7hEgtn7MkifEAosjmTgFWO-UEoOw1O79o9w@mail.gmail.com> (message from Ian Grant on Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:23:41 -0400)

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I can speak in favor of any serious effort to try to verify that
our binaries match our souce code.

> What we need is a language with a simple semantics for which we can write
> interpreters from scratch. It will be slow, but that doesn't matter. All we
> need it for is to generate the reference compiler that we know is secure,
> and the reference tools that we use to verify that the object code produced
> by the full 740 MB of GCC source when compiled by the 74MB gcc binaries, is
> the same object code our reference compiler produces.

I did not understand, until now, that this was meant as a way to verify GCC.
I thought you meant we should stop using our existing tools and program
in this language instead.  I was not interested in that.

However, as a scheme to verify our tools and keep using them,
it might make sense.  I can't judge how effective this sort of proof
might be, but I won't reject the idea.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
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      reply	other threads:[~2014-09-06 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-04 17:33 Reinterpreting the compiler source code Ian Grant
     [not found] ` <CAKFjmdx4Zm2_HVEUre-PYvcZrm41gKv-2z_EsGehjv6NbVxBAw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-04 20:57   ` Bruno Loff
     [not found]     ` <CAGOfsMgZE==zCC2OmEPtbH_ph1g1-AhWikioSdZJFep8crP3vQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-05  0:44       ` Ian Grant
2014-09-05  0:13   ` William ML Leslie
2014-09-05  1:51 ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <E1XPigS-000528-41-iW7gFb+/I3LZHJUXO5efmti2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-05  2:23     ` Ian Grant
2014-09-06 22:16       ` Richard Stallman [this message]

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