From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Attila Lendvai Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Name of the standard library Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 13:00:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20240629002027.13853-1-richard@freakingpenguin.com> <4d9d9c2e-0830-4267-b8e5-1a50cb815508@msavoritias.me> <87a5ifyd0g.fsf@web.de> <20240719104617.pLmG2C00D4SnA1G01LmG1n@andre.telenet-ops.be> <87wmlgkyix.fsf@web.de> <15398dda-cb3e-4195-b2f8-263a59a73c68@lassi.io> <8734o4kte6.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9909"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lassi Kortela , Maxime Devos , Greg Troxel , MSavoritias , "guile-devel@gnu.org" To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 21 15:02:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sVWCP-0002PC-K8 for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 15:02:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVWBn-00034M-3b; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:01:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVWBD-0002mk-Vr for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:00:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4018.proton.ch ([185.70.40.18]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVWBA-0003eC-Jg for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:00:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lendvai.name; s=protonmail2; t=1721566841; x=1721826041; bh=SVFOxc5qPeO1EFAuxFBMQYQTS6JOPrMLpIvib/FAcGg=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=K7IKBCqtpvVb3X/8dk9CPTjN8cbjkGS97PGh47j2suSSysINRlTlgDrA0NDJxFQ/i ZKquvGVXVaXuaSZW0TuWiECbGTw9+qOgzi6jfqH7/cmJoHBTxmAlxnFB++q30FmQpe G2JfH/mzUnezPPR7VnHrzBEgmPxkDOPznXZeXUx54yXv9lnKXOVyk1qGnoeyNGzi8L jL2dYWzpbbO3mCdtLDeaqrQ6P7Us5ZduHwWSsa/Qe3fcIxe53fSCZBLwC+zBXKSvz5 QWX7mCspKxrTVLekuGEAgDfcmrEXkfXgXoOblIo4SiIhZgdGIWy5yZ7n8iyYUhE29l bxpMYuSCtRYfQ== In-Reply-To: <8734o4kte6.fsf@web.de> Feedback-ID: 28384833:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: c652f9f8051e00275aec7a9dd4d6993a471334ce Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.18; envelope-from=attila@lendvai.name; helo=mail-4018.proton.ch X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:22624 Archived-At: > > With no disrespect intended -- I understand it's a joke that was funny > > at one time -- "the standard library of Guile is called ice-9" sounds > > like "the unit of mass is called footballs". If so, why would a smart > > newbie learn more? >=20 >=20 > I did. >=20 > Did you not? yeah, because guix. so i wouldn't draw too many conclusions from this fact = alone. as a seasoned CL hacker, and a naive scheme newbie, i once even asked why g= uix is not made portable on top of other schemes. my motivation was to get = better debugging facilities than what guile provides. it was so far from my= expectations that i considered it easier to port guix to another scheme. (there's no need to educate me, though. since then i learned the difference= s between the CL and scheme worlds, and understood the effort it would take= .) --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CWhen law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the c= ruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for= the law.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric Bastiat (1801=E2=80=931850), 'The Law' (185= 0)