From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Nala Ginrut Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Logo baseline Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 03:40:20 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87a76kx3g2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002f45e2059c6f3bc8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="41434"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Andy Wingo , Guile Devel To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 20:41:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1istxv-000Ajz-1U for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:41:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44330 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1istxu-00040W-3N for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1istxV-0003vV-10 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:40:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1istxT-0000cC-Fk for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:40:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2b]:42458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1istxQ-0000XZ-L9; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:40:32 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yw1-xc2b.google.com with SMTP id l14so16016951ywj.9; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=gAPn8cuaxMIuvQaoLF9lda3235FfuNmC8hRqO9EE0nY=; b=bNroqUROBfBj9PsLoYbS95n1rURO85jRpOw9kgHqjUF9Pp6KXYmazZnsOUXAAT5Aa/ NFhfZ7nIgzgjC6csaMjlDyRhRAsod5y5Y9vkPiXN2iotChtNNahRrhkhsFPUB7Cj/Yop Jclx0Gl9UdcQhJ38euMQ6vvqaYmmivu1uIeck2pCfSM9K424fsAjllsJp/+SZXt9ffSN QJ4vwB3aKnPGs8pp+pjawykYi5A9ayfkwdPITBupAidO6n25jdmkWA0AAd5k3yIiEiwD 7OvGZPWVE3I63kEpPs6MIRlJiR4tRsir0E3y/qt8uhmuiAw4d5Z7UbrvsS1+pASRrvtg m8XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gAPn8cuaxMIuvQaoLF9lda3235FfuNmC8hRqO9EE0nY=; b=mrc8Urzsm3D8dbXyZOYzC01M85KknbM68P045IlCoBdkw+IJpj3VEqzCFxGaJmyNFa tPn6eA8rl4U2HH7lXOJsWdS2x/RiWSB81QT46DpZMWQz6YVeMbU1d5BqaIr85sDvKwn+ ok63IIxLEWAzhLFO0N1xG+riP/WH/yGGBYrseIluZXiGKKm4/Njg4/4Hm7ko35nTVPCC Zb7671ceiK1+83JfNWscbpdHIc8jOQGPikSPjshkHOvfo7G7P3dhWxrj2FPiMDYFsO7p EbTp5qr/W6ObHQsY3szLdeU2KqGkYIufRBQjMkdkbkgwcjC6SyirLWP/Ud41f6bdBdbp tsqg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV4vDI1/rHH4tdwAznAvYMzO1S2qWRm7k7cGoG+Ta1AWf99PWGO 5eRQ5TbV82ZfKhEW2Xu4UKX55E1qPk+o6pNBUsEetr5p8UpaUw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwUT3J+pvNvQDLJfvmOWDVzfT3GKV9cKm5VpMgm65fqkUX8rEOuFuZvBdNHW5/SQoF93ehU/geLdbs/2fwR4ns= X-Received: by 2002:a81:6742:: with SMTP id b63mr37096267ywc.205.1579376431808; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:40:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87a76kx3g2.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2b X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20298 Archived-At: --0000000000002f45e2059c6f3bc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:14 PM Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hello Guilers! > Clearly, Guile is still an extension language, with many great > applications (Gnucash, Lepton-EDA, OpenCog, GDB, etc.), and I=E2=80=99m s= ure > libguile is here to stay. Yet, to me, =E2=80=9Cextension language=E2=80= =9D does not > accurately capture what Guile today allows for and what people have been > doing with it; since 2.0, it=E2=80=99s more than an extension language, e= ven > more so with the performance afforded by Guile 3. > > That's true, "GNU extension language" is just part of its features right now. And the "extension language" can't define Guile anymore, because Guile is a productive implementation of Scheme programming language, a web development language, a system level scripting language, and a platform to support several different dynamic languages. > Thus, I=E2=80=99d propose changing the baseline. Something that would de= scribe > what Guile is to me is: > > GNU, fast, fun, functional > > Although functional is just one of facinating features of Guile Scheme, it's still a good selling point to introduce it to other people. > What=E2=80=99s about you? What=E2=80=99s Guile to you? :-) > > Guile is a modern Scheme implementation that can solve real problems in the industry. There's a joke that Scheme is the only language that the number of implementations are more than the users. But I would say, Guile can help people to solve real program in product level. And as some people here may know, I've been always a big fan to treat Guile as a platform for various language transpilers. I don't know what's the proper slogan now, to me, Guile is more like a hacking engine rather than a language. Best regards. --0000000000002f45e2059c6f3bc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:14 PM Ludo= vic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@gnu.org> w= rote:
Hello Guil= ers!=C2=A0

Clearly, Guile is still an extension language, with many great
applications (Gnucash, Lepton-EDA, OpenCog, GDB, etc.), and I=E2=80=99m sur= e
libguile is here to stay.=C2=A0 Yet, to me, =E2=80=9Cextension language=E2= =80=9D does not
accurately capture what Guile today allows for and what people have been doing with it; since 2.0, it=E2=80=99s more than an extension language, eve= n
more so with the performance afforded by Guile 3.


That's true, "GNU extens= ion language" is just part of its features right now.
And th= e "extension language" can't define Guile anymore, because Gu= ile is a productive implementation of Scheme programming language,
a web development language, a system level scripting language, and a= platform to support several different dynamic languages.
=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
Thus, I=E2=80=99d propose changing the baseline.=C2=A0 Something that would= describe
what Guile is to me is:

=C2=A0 GNU, fast, fun, functional


Although functional is just one of fac= inating features of Guile Scheme, it's still a good selling point to in= troduce it to other people.

=C2=A0
What=E2=80=99s about you?=C2=A0 What=E2=80=99s Guile to you?=C2=A0 :-)
<= br>

Guile is a modern Scheme implementation= that can solve real problems in the industry. There's a joke that Sche= me is the only language that the number of implementations
are mo= re than the users. But I would say, Guile can help people to solve real pro= gram in product level.
And as some people here may know, I've= been always a big fan to treat Guile as a platform for various language tr= anspilers.
I don't know what's the proper slogan now, to = me, Guile is more like a hacking engine rather than a language.
=C2=A0
Best regards.

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