From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Panicz Maciej Godek Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.user,gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: anyone define port types? Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87y492mnjp.fsf@pobox.com> <87io046wp7.fsf@drakenvlieg.flower> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1148e42ece0aec052f4751c4 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459358274 19875 80.91.229.3 (30 Mar 2016 17:17:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 17:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andy Wingo , "guile-user@gnu.org" , guile-devel To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Original-X-From: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 30 19:17:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-user@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1alJke-0006hZ-7A for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:17:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alJkX-0004AL-SM for guile-user@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51488) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alJkI-00049D-Fr for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:17:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alJkE-0007YT-0X for guile-user@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]:38225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alJkD-0007YG-QB; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:17:25 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 20so80470206wmh.1; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 10:17:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=8N55YaftfdNeW3+LMY3+BedU8KnyR39aBFfW5lqbIBQ=; b=sNxpydWKmJou9yoD8WiHbx0MvzClH9RUGHLWZdPrH5fyTBNkL2zbBv54t2yFrgbIc+ KsxmLYa20rPRXYmryTmWNEFZKT7a4aF33DBZ1KjVZx7zWZTyYVXNkW+/V+2V91lFIney SuTuuaOASPSpLJJoBBZ1czRN+2AfXJ1Zd8gliKirKV4trcaRP9ME5niqWH/v5NvwV8nL 1nu+epse+EwfAnbRUxwwReUwWVQKngueUh0Uu2Fk/Ft9swDak7UgVxtjFi+gCMsRC+jh Y0A8DLSVSVkjei9Om6gHEOP8sLWnngSd0tvFO2H2TYGGSn74vod09f+3yrEvVtidAPi+ MVpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=8N55YaftfdNeW3+LMY3+BedU8KnyR39aBFfW5lqbIBQ=; b=lUZ88Fdey0A49SYagnyjqIFybwgOOd7l0U6/xkPWUt7Jy4x4PkkI9A6L70GYCA9JnK Cu7SGpHU4rkZgZtxDMRdPnMlCFPKs4q7mJ7859Ap5DZOmTNhFgUOR78hS/869UpmXQEG fUk0QH0XDdPvtW3/kf/SvJaahWK+jWtn/MF9NWs4Q4p9PX7Zl7eyMBOKfv93Q2vjFCl8 5OpL1BxWxM6v1fN+MdXWghKgMhlAlaVucMU89JgnEkp/vVAQe/2rCxSguwsxAz6Fq1t9 8oONOGKaGQN7k1WMMmy2PDRUPJfhcyjWKiuNWi588pU7dY60LPamYAvd/iToQHGRRKGm hstw== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKttyZmbq/jEMuNEKWMfu5m+Nw/sSCFya+R3iLsqgW77FyjwJUJn27K8Pubs8mvbzX28b/c9hsmdsi2zg== X-Received: by 10.28.65.137 with SMTP id o131mr11987580wma.54.1459358245191; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 10:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.113.101 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 10:17:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87io046wp7.fsf@drakenvlieg.flower> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f X-BeenThere: guile-user@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General Guile related discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-user-bounces+guile-user=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.user:12527 gmane.lisp.guile.devel:18254 Archived-At: --001a1148e42ece0aec052f4751c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-03-30 13:18 GMT+02:00 Jan Nieuwenhuizen : > Panicz Maciej Godek writes: > > > I also used GOOPS, which I regret to this day, and so the > > whole framework needs a serious rewrite > > What is it that you do not like about GOOPS? Most specifically, I dislike its middle three letters. The problem with OOP is that it requires to know exactly what ones want -- it is difficult to change the design of your program after it's been written (and it is also difficult to come up with a good design from the beginning), and -- since it is based on state mutation - it makes it difficult to reason about your program. On the practical side, it was a bit counterintuitive that and were unrelated, and I think that there were some issues with and types. --001a1148e42ece0aec052f4751c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2016-03-30 13:18 GMT+02:00 Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.o= rg>:
Panicz Maciej Godek writes= :

> I also used GOOPS, which I regret to this day, and so the
> whole framework needs a serious rewrite

What is it that you do not like about GOOPS?

Most specifically, I dislike its middle three letters. The problem= with OOP is that it requires to know exactly what ones want -- it is diffi= cult to change the design of your program after it's been written (and = it is also difficult to come up with a good design from the beginning), and= -- since it is based on state mutation - it makes it difficult to reason a= bout your program.

On the practical side, it was a bit co= unterintuitive that <uvec> and <vector> were unrelated, and I t= hink that there were some issues with <pair> and <list> types.<= br>
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