From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Grant Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general,gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: GNU Thunder Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 21:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409709156 23470 80.91.229.3 (3 Sep 2014 01:52:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 01:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org, guile-devel-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: rms-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Wed Sep 03 03:52:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOzkJ-0007O6-9q for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 03:52:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41007 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOzkI-0004RY-Tb for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:52:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOzkF-0004RS-Jz for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOzkE-0005ur-KW for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:52:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::236]:46514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOzkE-0005ui-Cv; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z2so8924948wiv.3 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:52:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PkIKW19sLmVeWZvpuON6Ar05ot2rhQ6rJ1RlW4u7GWs=; b=J2M+M3f/4d4qkR/Jzpjv4nqwUPXCnAGyhtrZr/2ONQwS96rzUc+X6yCBbLZicF/5tn b1/kKqhfHKNSQyEcxZ/XyBXa/YCchXTs8fSYRZyIHroQRA/5467TQm7MxFcjRWaUy3pq /2D/9xJYOm8kpMreqhvRQkJaASH6W8HOM4HmUjaCpt9XVXkwMBMAEapslBlt4THx+wCl /oLhqWSgchvtWGP8PbKqT+iX9osfTsLwNBoA3HpMqraHgmybTt+Jz+32yHG7/gkD/o+a 4Xf/dyAXX+S0/dxe7eE9er0c+RJO59VasFOQjve1qYrESrb+eWDmBDB70/wBjDpVK2wz 0qzQ== X-Received: by 10.181.13.116 with SMTP id ex20mr32226650wid.31.1409709140408; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 18:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.219.234 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:52:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::236 X-BeenThere: lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general:555 gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17392 Archived-At: On 8/30/14, Richard Stallman wrote: > Are you saying that someone could have put a Ritchie hack > into the proprietary compilers [...] Perhaps you know more about the origins of the hack than I do, I was going to call it a Schell script. > [...] that would detect the code > that GCC was going to have -- even though GCC kept changing? It's surprisingly hard to fundamentally change a program that big. Most changes are fairly minor and leave the basic structure unchanged. So a trap door could look at the large-scale structure using unification to do pattern matching, Then it would be able to adapt automatically to many localised changes. > We can't prove it did not happen, but it would have been hard > for them to keep up with us. But "they" have all the source so they know exactly what they're attacking.. Ian