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From: Ian Grant <ian.a.n.grant@googlemail.com>
To: stefan.itampe@gmail.com, guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: implementation idea for infinite cons lists aka scon(e)s lists.
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:08:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKFjmdx2NyEEBh7JyWvM=kD=votFZn_ejY8_p=G0igr+P1jq8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

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> #|
> Basically a stream is
> [x,y,z,...]

> But we want to gc the tail of the stream if not reachable. How to do this?

I don't understand. The tail is infinitely long. When do you want to GC it?
When your infinite memory is 50% full, or 75% full :-)

I think you probably have a good idea, but it's just not at all clear from
these two messages.

Do you know about co-induction and co-data? An ordinary (proper) list is an
example of an inductive structure: you have two constructors, a nullary one
'() which is like a constant or a constant function, it takes no arguments
and makes a list out of nothing. And you have a binary constructor, cons,
which takes a head a tail as arguments and makes a new list. And then you
can use these a bit like an induction proof in mathematics: '() is the base
case, and cons is the induction step which takes you from a list, to a new
longer list. This is a concrete datatype: the elements it is made of are
all represented in memory.

The dual of this idea is a co-datatype like a stream, where you don't have
the concrete data structures anymore, you have what is called an _abstract
datatype_ which is a datatype that has no actual representation in the
machine: so you don't have the constructors '() and cons anymore, you just
have a single deconstructor, snoc, which, when it is applied to a stream,
maybe returns an element and a new stream, which is the tail, otherwise it
just returns something like #f which says "it ended!" In languages like
scheme and standard ML which do eager evaluation, streams are modelled
using either references (i.e. mutable cons cells) or eta-expansions
(thunks, (lambda () ...) with a 'unit' argument to delay evaluation), but
in lazy languages like  haskell (and untyped lambda calculus under normal
order evaluation) you don't need any tricks, you can just write the co-data
types as ordinary lambda expressions, and the 'call by name' semantics mean
that these 'infinite tails' only get expanded (i.e. represented in the
memory) when they are 'observed' by applying the deconstructor. So like in
real life, the only garbage you have to deal with is the stuff that results
from what you make: the whole infinite substructure is all 'enfolded'
underneath and takes no space at all. It's just your observing it that
makes it concrete.

There is a huge body of theory and an awful lot of scribbling been done
about this. There are mathematical texts where it's called 'category
theory' or 'non well-founded set theory' And it comes up in order theory as
'fixedpoint calculus' and the theory of Galois connections. And in other
areas of computer science it's called bisimulation. To me it all seems to
be the same thing: "consing up one list while cdr'ing down another", but
there's probably no research mileage in saying things like that.

Ian

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             reply	other threads:[~2014-09-12 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-12 20:08 Ian Grant [this message]
2014-09-13  1:22 ` implementation idea for infinite cons lists aka scon(e)s lists Ian Grant
2014-09-13 11:19   ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2014-09-15 14:37     ` Ian Grant
2014-09-13 11:13 ` Stefan Israelsson Tampe
2014-09-15 18:38   ` Ian Grant
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2014-09-10 20:10 Stefan Israelsson Tampe

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