From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Grant Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general,gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Bug free programs Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20140917005748.8CXVB.21497.root@cdptpa-web03> <8738brsz82.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <87a95yp341.fsf@yeeloong.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410991084 1608 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 21:58:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lightning , dsmich-XauvlLoUTru+XT7JhA+gdA@public.gmane.org, guile-devel To: Mark H Weaver Original-X-From: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Wed Sep 17 23:57:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUNEd-0002FL-5w for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:57:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47465 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUNEc-0006X2-Su for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56427) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUNEY-0006Ww-Or for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUNEX-0000RX-M9 for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:57:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a]:53864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUNEX-0000O0-Er; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:57:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u57so2090304wes.29 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xZi6EsyOocW7NytvtRD9NvNL2cYSGccMHQR+P4c+jfQ=; b=K9gRTMFix8Vjv1pFgIuLvp/ZJzGYQzhV01N7O9+xvney/qlXzg6dTAsz6LUnOASni9 TqnsVx/O+xvlX9BOtIjwnGR4NTVfFRoFNmknqp29nKyZdOJzZ/gF2oZhUB+pueKnciLm Rx0mggJc3WGLUa/J/z3w8Q6Y15qlGPjIa9PbDrlPD9GjuMFfsFw9lvZLdA4AmK21UdYA S9w/nhqdcssdv1thz5jW+D9PBnuapByFVi81/kXsrFwtx44AaMNpU0o+/gGvbwUbPgRc 69rooCNTJokitZxALUqXli1r+/XWVynIVplpH8YCt3mpA523S10MGwaytnfAg3VIUuM/ 9BoA== X-Received: by 10.194.57.237 with SMTP id l13mr187956wjq.102.1410991067408; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.81.194 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a95yp341.fsf-Ir+b6ulHfbb+AlalS6MPSg@public.gmane.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22a X-BeenThere: lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general:593 gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17476 Archived-At: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Mark H Weaver wrote: > [...] I led the development of the scannable PGP source code books that > allowed PGP to be legally exported from the US fo the first time, along > with the tools needed to convert the paper books back into electronic > form with modest effort. This is the most interesting thing anyone's said in the discussion so far. Now you can teach me something. If I had modified GNU source and I'd compiled it to object code, and put it in that "non-electronic media" you developed, and sold it, without making the modified source available to people, would that be selling Copyleft software? I think so. Now tell me how it is _you_ know that what you did doesn't earn you and Richard Stallman a fetching orange jump-suit each, and an all-expenses-paid vacation at a Government holiday camp in the South East Florida Keys, with power-showers every two hours and where you get to listen to the same Eminem song (there is only one) 24 hours a day? http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/documents/official_itar/ITAR_Part_121.pdf Category VIII - Auxiliary Military Equipment ================================ (b) Military Information Security Assurance Systems and equipment, cryptographic devices, software, and components specifically designed, developed, modified, adapted, or configured for military applications (including command, control and intelligence applications. Ian