From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Grant Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Running make as root and ./configure access to Makefile contents Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea405644678305035bbb9c X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411067778 4310 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2014 19:16:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:16:18 +0000 (UTC) To: Neil Jerram , guile-devel Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 18 21:16:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhBd-0000oD-WE for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53113 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhBd-0005dn-9I for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46775) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhBU-0005dX-Sf for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhBT-0004BU-2j for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:16:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d]:46344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhBS-00049Z-Qh for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id t60so1438144wes.18 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:15:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OjRs3uup/NmF+bLJk21DaTNgBTK05LfpPJv97lfU3Hw=; b=IyPmnGrOVpK4HxCmNronuYGr+cE1JnvaJrWbiRWBdtkgkDOSZiAX+HlBIHJE484tRr N0eEW38YrGQtieU20dLkbHIOYJA/xrwIULOq1jkC0J7yNEZ/065tYa/wH+0v5znCY8xn FAIEs+Fyh2PqoHmCuAv9Z18WEtnoTdO81Bkuu7+6HBvdxeoUAXHYro4ICn5yJBUTjXPz qEpmFheAkfrcMh0JV+2nYPHTh7yLzybMgcN8tQu7q10Uv31jBwPWxkvm3Vzf2Xip9cMM r3JkbyvreymrgFut/nD9xdxEvvDKei3McMnOPwwqsQehC+rRSdnE1Z7rvEZiEPboXi8z VZnA== X-Received: by 10.194.81.101 with SMTP id z5mr828744wjx.17.1411067402281; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.81.194 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22d X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17486 Archived-At: --047d7bea405644678305035bbb9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ed http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/misc/vanVlissingenInterview.htm= l As to the programming products that are used by people, I hardly have first hand experience, my impression is that an enormous amount of user time is wasted figuring out what the system does and how to control it, which is the consequence of two sorts of happenings. First of all that the designers have failed to keep the interface of a system as simple as possible=E2=80= =94which is a challenge; but as soon as you realize that the main challenge of computer science is how not to get lost in the complexities of their own making, it is quite clear that this is a major task. --047d7bea405644678305035bbb9c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Ed http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/misc/vanV= lissingenInterview.html

As to the programming products that are = used by people, I hardly have=20 first hand experience, my impression is that an enormous amount of user=20 time is wasted figuring out what the system does and how to control it,=20 which is the consequence of two sorts of happenings. First of all that=20 the designers have failed to keep the interface of a system as simple as possible=E2=80=94which is a challenge; but as soon as you realize that the= main challenge of computer science is how not to get lost in the=20 complexities of their own making, it is quite clear that this is a major task.

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