From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: William ML Leslie Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel,gmane.linux.debian.ports.hppa Subject: Re: Removal of hppa support Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 23:21:44 +1100 Message-ID: References: <38f5a373-58b0-6f13-003f-bed60c4de731@physik.fu-berlin.de> <06111da7-68bb-514a-9556-cf21c83ea30e@physik.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="88134"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: guile-devel , "debian-hppa@lists.debian.org" To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 26 13:22:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ivgvb-000Ms0-0w for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:22:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33348 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ivgvZ-0003zG-MS for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 07:22:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52615) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ivgvN-0003yz-V9 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 07:21:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ivgvM-0000m0-H2 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 07:21:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-io1-xd43.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43]:37798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ivgvM-0000l3-At for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 07:21:56 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-io1-xd43.google.com with SMTP id k24so6923499ioc.4 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 04:21:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7QxyuoO67QJt1wPaBHZ1QHyE/T+WTkCGTKyGLp9leMI=; b=nsHJfNfB3r1zNBvOSPJGCl/LzpvSvLmwCKzHW4UsimoIeFSjwiZsqrNi5377XOs9/W cVeiAONClYlNdd0JLE308l98iAMoulF20bKhLqAqd0V2cznqhS55DawRywPYmqeFSsOL EhhzfYzfwxV3q2BYf7XHsRU9YH3niPkHQztZqeG6OWLW/XEOBo0vTwya6obMznnzFcb6 qdR1sxTUIeM4wR9AqSWo/S51IUplDlCorpr7e8AtEWLJ7LGoeUwgb8dQlkTBZs/KvEYn cZL+Cg8Lkt1JRGbj+QUhiCcY/3/XVMJIs8vW0xj1LVZm5J03S7nHnxd30Jaxi2O0670R 5ucw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7QxyuoO67QJt1wPaBHZ1QHyE/T+WTkCGTKyGLp9leMI=; b=Q9+ZATpJJ8IxSAN0fg0Eph7GyJM5VfUKd2fgQQneWE1AqKHfFlbHzb/OXsWkK0RAGH 3odT8RHmMU9mie7nLm51kGFMgTKiQaocfWULUJg9oxYUwr+GUFCmcG3L7pWRKtupPUr0 JfvQFJPpvkQWyL3aMcRcDq6yjhaRLtdrK4iEQMu71MJs/JO31gneSC9arKpP/0qD9qnj ytkBlRDfNuRkdfNPjuLBxuj3CUAgazgrmWy5Mip1B9j+nOFztpqVRRH8SIHo7dQzaiOP kAO7QdSHUjsITaQ5sD/m4AXL1lu12u1EYHdjdR2ibwiLQr5GAkrZUZzfFQ5MOK4+AoKy 3GSg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWcYvXnqDQivdhh0alOGiIeCkmUrPi7muHr6gM3h13sJeoWg1Y2 R0nU3RiWCIokc5yIm0mI5tQU5oE0O+cVrrO7iPM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwIg8xLQ08RkYr8SwhHmFmBwv80Rp2Z4rqzbIthrfYobYl8k9lIiwfiNSDEsPR+V5A53XLaNuFzMPAJPiTKg4c= X-Received: by 2002:a02:a415:: with SMTP id c21mr9380581jal.45.1580041315246; Sun, 26 Jan 2020 04:21:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <06111da7-68bb-514a-9556-cf21c83ea30e@physik.fu-berlin.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20341 gmane.linux.debian.ports.hppa:7956 Archived-At: On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 20:51, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Hi! > > On 1/26/20 6:46 AM, William ML Leslie wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jan 2020, 8:20 am John Paul Adrian Glaubitz, > wrote: > > > > Hi Andy! > > > > I noticed that you recently purged hppa support from guile [1]. > > > > > > This change does not remove hppa support from guile, only support for the jit. > > I'm aware of this. But unless the code was unmaintainable or broken, I don't see > a reason for removing it. > The only thing Wingo wrote publicly about this seems to be: > I ported some of the existing GNU Lightning backends over to Lightening... I deleted the backends for Itanium, HPPA, Alpha, and SPARC; they have no Debian ports and there is no situation in which I can afford to do QA on them. [0] I haven't pushed to see what conditions would need to change to make JIT support on these architectures desirable for the core developers. Thoughts, Andy? Ludo? > Debian (and NetBSD) still support hppa perfectly fine so the code is actually > being compiled, used and test-run. And guile has been building fine on Debian/hppa. > > Access to hppa machines for testing and bug fixing is also available through Debian. > > > As an ia64 user, i'm a bit sad that we lost jit too - but i don't run any > > performance-sensitive guile jobs on that system. > > Are you using Debian's ia64 port? We recently resurrected it ;). > Yes I am - I saw that. Thank you for all your hard work on it! I was recently trying to figure out the issue with the vim-tiny tests and I broke my ssh access: I failed to realise why setting up a chroot was so important when you only have access to Sid. It is quite a bit of work to get iLO access in my office so I've been putting it off until I have a couple of days clear to look into it, and I've been working on replacing the ancient tech needed to speak to early iLO cards (a java6 browser plugin and old SSL with no hostname verification). It's not my first debian-ports fun either - I ran a hurd-i386 box for over a decade without issue. [0] http://wingolog.org/archives/2019/05/24/lightening-run-time-code-generation -- William Leslie Notice: Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law. You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in. 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