From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: William ML Leslie Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general,gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: GNU Thunder Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 11:39:44 +1000 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7508149374630217509==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410053996 25706 80.91.229.3 (7 Sep 2014 01:39:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 01:39:56 +0000 (UTC) To: Ian Grant , guile-devel , lightning , schellr-EkmVulN54Sk@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Sun Sep 07 03:39:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XQRSI-0005Uq-Vi for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 03:39:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36796 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XQRSI-0004EZ-8S for gcglg-lightning@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:39:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34052) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XQRSE-0004ES-Rg for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XQRSD-0007NT-Sy for lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]:62996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XQRSD-0007NN-Lc; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:39:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id i138so1807633oig.30 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iWQujO0WoUEdvaEJLaV7tISlpzUEO1kp4S82MO3ciF4=; b=H3zFnmfE/pxo76F9jvlD0SeXnfvKH6nkT6Hy+7rYvhjvXmMF7qKDaoyBzUajfaiYWZ ZOiSZz5IgKrZuuuFgstPZW3szo1hWOde1qLomU6aiQe0sz3uFVeyVXZBa2Dvogxd9eyN DU+GcuPLYvcc4MR5m4Srq7GecohQIPJ8aneaDg0hnW6cqURZbysQIgg8L6xzuTgszWCD QMh/3Q2Ej9UkmfzkRmS2gX5rqNEb9q3SYr40JsAvypbU+1CBlKzzOPJagpBTZ9Y3VHZ8 7rHDGeiugi59R5yFeQWRmeJs0TDhPv+dSsiMIiahjcoceJcfliQYpSxTEfWkISVutD5U xUDA== X-Received: by 10.182.209.101 with SMTP id ml5mr23112277obc.2.1410053984791; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.182.165.196 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 18:39:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b X-BeenThere: lightning-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: lightning-bounces+gcglg-lightning=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gnu.lightning.general:579 gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17427 Archived-At: --===============7508149374630217509== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1ca20e0b37105026fc673 --e89a8ff1ca20e0b37105026fc673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7 September 2014 01:49, Ian Grant wrote: > You are just not at all convincing, I'm afraid. Tell your boss they didn'= t > train you properly, and can you get assigned somewhere else. > =E2=80=8BUnfortunately, this is a reality we have to deal with when discuss= ing security on the internet: we've got to assume the enemy is listening. It could be me, I could even be intercepting your emails and making them sound incoherrent, and upping the tinfoil-hat quotient by =E2=80=8Badding people = like Theo and Linus to the To: list. I could be suggesting that effort be spent in a project that will provide very little value, wasting your time. Remember: I'm not suggesting what the outcome of your project will be, just that if the result is negative, we still know nothing. When testing a system for subterfuge, we need to examine *all* of the moving parts, even those that appear to be unused. If the system you're building your assembler on is compromised, it can still give you a negative answer. That's what was so scary about this particular type of attack. --=20 William Leslie Notice: Likely much of this email is, by the nature of copyright, covered under copyright law. You absolutely MAY reproduce any part of it in accordance with the copyright law of the nation you are reading this in. Any attempt to DENY YOU THOSE RIGHTS would be illegal without prior contractual agreement. --e89a8ff1ca20e0b37105026fc673 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 7 September 2014 01:49, = Ian Grant <ian.a.n.grant-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
You are just not at all convincing, I'm afraid. Tell your boss they d= idn't train you properly, and can you get assigned somewhere else.

=E2=80=8BUnfortunately, this is a reality we have to deal with w= hen discussing security on the internet: we've got to assume the enemy = is listening.=C2=A0 It could be me, I could even be intercepting your email= s and making them sound incoherrent, and upping the tinfoil-hat quotient by= =E2=80=8Badding people like Theo and Linus to the To: list.=C2=A0 I could = be suggesting that effort be spent in a project that will provide very litt= le value, wasting your time.

Remember:=C2=A0 I'm not suggest= ing what the outcome of your project will be, just that if the result is ne= gative, we still know nothing.=C2=A0 When testing a system for subterfuge, = we need to examine *all* of the moving parts, even those that appear to be = unused.=C2=A0 If the system you're building your assembler on is compro= mised, it can still give you a negative answer.=C2=A0 That's what was s= o scary about this particular type of attack.

-- <= br>William Leslie

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