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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:18:28 +0700 Message-ID: References: <83lgtrw8lm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c06d52fbcce50547712e86 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485926351 7863 195.159.176.226 (1 Feb 2017 05:19:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 05:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 01 06:19:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cYnJy-0001iN-KN for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 06:19:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYnK0-0000uP-UO for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:19:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54123) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYnJk-0000uK-3L for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:18:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYnJj-0002gx-5u for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:18:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yb0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::234]:34473) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cYnJh-0002gN-Pd; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:18:49 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yb0-x234.google.com with SMTP id j82so137001732ybg.1; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:18:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/XnodnrZx/KGqOL0qFvFGvcz1y0z1frrghtcEvsphto=; b=qKBDxHrc0SPTxZfddF5qx21lI6QRAvid/Pio8g8Yo1b5r7etLBbYuNNz5Zc47iZ4nu swGDoaRjcts5xr4E5HjtDJ9Ug0qe+3nT7mlkS/gYK/r15j2AXh3IZOIe46Ae+lDSEJLw EqkToDbgJCAlv2Wok1403SPucnsZlVfPAfK3PWChuQTZJN6F7IYLT+z6lOVFOkCi/huX cYCsMv/5DY+clOK2SszMLaiVhxa7r7LqGN0f5lERkqy4mMxsEHQQwOrxLs4qXh2QTSpt CjsA+a+76oS4oFkSaHVtmGlyWTLdSHwbh5Uj01E7G1VjNLqXz+ty9dRCEGyVftnf5zff PlZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/XnodnrZx/KGqOL0qFvFGvcz1y0z1frrghtcEvsphto=; b=jQv9g2RK/FJWCtcd85/obnuMJP7jmlNjX8BWLNTpl/KFMpp8sNdbIHYR31gze+EO4/ XO9kXqsH/1V2BlbojM/BBuM89QejEpVdaQ9+G/8QyBoqC7G3wL0beugUM34VjMHeWPO7 dbRAZa3RQ/lz6zaOxCl+ynwtgPjuvGvWD4O6IgEef42KDU4YLmiA7NgcASA6El0dMOnQ ayETOvzUUR+clB3FsgS37rhw2vtz/3mdqMm/MuB5N9Ir2LD+r6VhCgLwhvgtOrtjGPvj 3xu9bFXvrYLq3UkOdHuBRFsi3kP/UP9qds9OFsmEKrorE5WzEnbeNX5gqXOg7eOHafvi CaSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLTn5mcTXF2D3TGNW1y8UgwaW61RYx/pT2G14euD2S1k7jYFS51QSWdpj8mYpcsaazB2+MS/Rf4OrqpYw== X-Received: by 10.37.3.132 with SMTP id 126mr594610ybd.15.1485926328682; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:18:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.37.99.130 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:18:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83lgtrw8lm.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c09::234 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:18878 Archived-At: --001a11c06d52fbcce50547712e86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2017-01-31 22:29 GMT+07:00 Eli Zaretskii : > > > Not my place to answer that, but let me just say that I didn't have > any problems using the present autotools-based build system on > Windows with MSYS. The absolute majority of the problems I needed to > solve while working on the port had nothing to do with autotools, but > with various non-portable and Posix-centric stuff in the Guile sources > (most of them were fixed since then using the patches I proposed). > Well, provided that you are tied to msys and you can never ever compile guile with a microsoft compiler, that is ok. You are talking only about your use case. The reality is quite different: if you want windows adoption, you need to use the native toolchain to compile. I have extensive experience with cmake and autotools and quite a bit with meson already. I can say with confidence that keeping autotools and taking windows seriously at the same time is just impossible. So my view here is that to have a decent windows port we would need native windows threads and compile with microsoft compiler (that is why I would be proposing meson). You just have to see the gstreamer guys experience when switching to meson and the huge improvement it was, especially in windows. --001a11c06d52fbcce50547712e86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-01-31 22:29 GMT+07:00 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
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Not my place to answer that, but let me just say that I didn't h= ave
any problems using the present autotools-based build system on
Windows with MSYS.=C2=A0 The absolute majority of the problems I needed to<= br> solve while working on the port had nothing to do with autotools, but
with various non-portable and Posix-centric stuff in the Guile sources
(most of them were fixed since then using the patches I proposed).

Well, provided that you are tied to msys and yo= u can never ever compile guile with a microsoft compiler, that is ok. You a= re talking only about your use case. The reality is quite different: if you= want windows adoption, you need to use the native toolchain to compile. I = have extensive experience with cmake and autotools and quite a bit with mes= on already. I can say with confidence that keeping autotools and taking win= dows seriously at the same time is just impossible. So my view here is that= to have a decent windows port we would need native windows threads and com= pile with microsoft compiler (that is why I would be proposing meson). You = just have to see the gstreamer guys experience when switching to meson and = the huge improvement it was, especially in windows.
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