From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Aleix_Conchillo_Flaqu=C3=A9?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: guile 2012 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:27:58 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87ty48gs00.fsf@pobox.com> <1326839820.34640.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326846491 9449 80.91.229.12 (18 Jan 2012 00:28:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andy Wingo , guile-devel To: Mike Gran Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 18 01:28:07 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RnJNl-0004KM-Pr for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:28:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58156 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RnJNl-0004kz-2F for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:28:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RnJNh-0004kj-Sn for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:28:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RnJNg-00043e-P3 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:28:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:32999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RnJNg-00043Y-F9 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:28:00 -0500 Original-Received: by bkbzx1 with SMTP id zx1so1386101bkb.0 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ynEoDWFYtae4R/erqEmH/uytr4upoZmtYNuuX3ZNVgA=; b=bAoL21t7uTl7ZM8NoYihHg98lngOwBAzvyQkz15PijN2l88d67I8/6SPwtPvaA8JeA nwnUUPAetBoNAr53W5UhopBJS2cQOsAvDlup5AThoSRSvx+YM/Wl2hSxHKQCJmqg76xs hg+s0RFKDWqKJQVprYkFSg7xlIlcAY4m3htU4= Original-Received: by 10.204.153.216 with SMTP id l24mr7834654bkw.64.1326846478863; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.204.120.20 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1326839820.34640.YahooMailNeo@web37901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.214.41 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:13561 Archived-At: I feel like I shouldn't get into this discussion for my huge lack of Guile (and Scheme in general) knowledge. But I will do in any case :-). On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Mike Gran wrote: > [snip] > I know that you want to believe that if your tech is good enough, > people will learn Scheme.=C2=A0 For many people, that just won't ever hap= pen. > It will always be a blocker for increasing the popularity of Guile. > > (Did I just propose Dylan?) > > I disagree a bit with this point. People will learn Gule if there are nice libraries around it (what you said before). People is learning Clojure and it's being using for real work, and it has parenthesis. Ruby doesn't have parenthesis, but without Rails, may be it would have just been another language. Now there's hundreds of companies, freelancers that base their work in Ruby on Rails. And I'm sure there's plenty of more cases. I agree with the weakness of installing 3rd party libraries. I'm afraid that's true for every language. Guildhall will probably save Guile from being just another language used by a few. That was my half cent. :-) Aleix