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From: Noah Lavine <noah.b.lavine@gmail.com>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: "Andy Wingo" <wingo@pobox.com>, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Using libunistring for string comparisons et al
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:53:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTineoiarywmMqzWQXKwWW_C5-PAEVg-wGWUMe50u@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lj0bi4qs.fsf@netris.org>

Hello all,

>> Furthermore, such a default would not restrict our users at all -- they
>> can always use the non-_c_ variants with a symbol explicitly constructed
>> with (e.g.) scm_from_utf8_symbol.
>
> We have those convenience functions for a reason.  You recently proposed
> several more convenience functions, so apparently you prefer to save
> keystrokes like the rest of us.  I'm sure our non-english-speaking
> comrades feel the same way.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about this issue to understand it
completely, but some idea seemed a little off. I think there are two
questions being conflated here: what Guile's internal string
representation should be, and what convenience functions should be
provided for users to easily make symbols.

The string representation is a somewhat difficult choice involving
tradeoffs. However, it seems to me that the functions provided to make
symbols should be more or less independent of that. After all, these
are *convenience* functions, whose functionality could always be
implemented in the more general underlying API. So I think the thing
to do here is make a list of what string formats you think people
should easily be able to use, and then make convenience functions for
each of them. Clearly ASCII is one. Perhaps UTF-8 is another.

(Unless of course you mean macros that need to define things at
compile time. In that case, you're really limited by C's lack of
compile-time computation ability, and I think the only real solution
would be to implement a preprocessor that can convert strings to
different formats. For instance, Guile could easily be such a
preprocessor.)

Noah



  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-19 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-12 21:28 Using libunistring for string comparisons et al Mike Gran
2011-03-15 17:20 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-15 20:39   ` Mike Gran
2011-03-15 22:49     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-16  0:01       ` Mike Gran
2011-03-16  1:12         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-16 11:26           ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-17 15:38             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-17 15:56               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-17 17:58                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-18  0:10                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-18  1:38                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-18  8:46                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-18 12:05                         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-20 22:12                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30 10:14                     ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-17 21:47           ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-19 12:31           ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-19 14:06             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 14:53               ` Noah Lavine [this message]
2011-03-19 15:49                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 15:08               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-19 19:43                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 16:37               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-20 21:49               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:50               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-29 12:39             ` Peter Brett
2011-03-29 13:35               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-29 21:15               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-31 14:59                 ` Peter Brett
2011-03-31 20:12                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:33       ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-16  0:22     ` Alex Shinn
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-03-17 18:07 Mike Gran
2011-03-16 15:22 Mike Gran
2011-03-16 16:58 ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-16  2:03 Mike Gran
2011-03-16  1:30 Mike Gran
2011-03-11  0:54 uc_tolower (uc_toupper (x)) Mike Gran
2011-03-11 22:33 ` Using libunistring for string comparisons et al Mark H Weaver
2011-03-11 22:36   ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-11 23:09   ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-12 13:46     ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-12 17:28       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-13 21:30         ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:05           ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-30  9:03     ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-31 14:19       ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-12 13:36   ` Ludovic Courtès

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