From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Noah Lavine Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: on the importance of names (was: proposal: enhance and rename guile-tools) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ipvdqt69.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1301490730 25579 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2011 13:12:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Court=E8s?= , guile-devel@gnu.org To: Andy Wingo Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 30 15:12:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4vBs-0005Be-F1 for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:12:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35026 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4vBr-0007fp-LZ for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57174 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q4vAs-0006y4-RN for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:11:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4vAr-0002iv-Ak for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:54157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4vAr-0002ih-8S; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so1241554vws.0 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:11:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rZseeikBjyPvM9gROtWwK5vXzXnnNIxEHXIcI9T2IBs=; b=Cdo4Fkbn+Gnj6PmihKXnUg8jyILEWXLo4/zeC0Qp+tnpq2pHFydxFwvZ9pU8gRGTHS S4eaxPl2+3DLsJABEwsKi2phRzCTZXYRB4Xhc/IGhaYB1Fl4SGf8fC+hmFoTGHJIl2p4 q4RK/P68BYHEvQeJ7Eyv3MQpAxmzhGLvtMQf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YvIntqnRST3BUK2gjHsSY9HqqeP7tKO3grH/BiYzLUfsaGwuW4TruC4HGxeiU9ksl9 MvqFOlARHZyoaxARM9WEdh4F4GnFIw+KgSNfdozoRuZYETTygXs/2UgGEUmi8pv/hTPo ol/tsVgYxTHNfFzWdHmsUBoCRXLng1svgifEM= Original-Received: by 10.52.95.135 with SMTP id dk7mr1599577vdb.93.1301490660131; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.52.169.231 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:11:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: Mt2gIue844kV2E0w4ZAQHxLLh-I X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.212.41 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:12084 Archived-At: The coolness is irrefutable. :-) On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Andy Wingo wrote: > Howdy, > > On Mon 21 Mar 2011 00:16, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=E8s) writes: > >> Andy Wingo writes: >> >>> "Guido, compile my-file.scm." >> >> Is the pun[*] intended? =A0:-) > > OK, point taken. =A0Too bad though! > > I have another proposal, but first I want to elaborate on why I think > guile-tools is a silly name. > > First of all it's not a good noun. =A0I don't know how to capitalize it, > for example. =A0Guile-Tools ? =A0Too camel-casey. =A0Guile-tools ? =A0It'= s long > and slanted, like a boat launching ramp. =A0guile-tools ? =A0But then it > doesn't look like the start of a sentence. > > Also, how do you feel when you say "guile-tools compile foo.scm" ? =A0I > kinda feel like a tool! =A0Its clunkiness makes me feel clunky. =A0Not go= od! > > These difficulties have real repercussions. =A0A clunky name leads us to > avoid mentioning the thing, which isn't good either for the tool itself > or for peoples' awareness of the tool. > > Names are important, is what I'm saying. > > So! =A0My new proposal is "guild". > > =A0guild update > =A0guild compile foo.scm > =A0guild install fmt > > Guild has the usual advantages of being short and having a name that > shares structure with Guile. =A0Of course there is the disadvantage that > it's only one character away, and my fingers are programmed to type "e" > after "guil", so there would be some retraining. > > But that doesn't mention the real advantage of "guild", which is how you > feel when you type it or tell it to someone: that you pertain to a > secret society of wizards! =A0Who wouldn't want to pertain to such a > guild? =A0I feel awesomer just for having typed it. > > Also if the main purpose of the tool will be, besides compilation, > interaction with our CPAN, then it really will be about a collective of > people producing spel(l)s (cf. Barski's "Casting SPELs with Lisp"). > Sweet! > > What do folks think about this harebrained idea? > > Cheers, > > Andy > -- > http://wingolog.org/ > >