From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_Felipe_L=C3=B3pez_Acevedo?= Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: New logo and website design proposal Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:18:48 -0500 Message-ID: <9f498ab696d5677675528a84527e4e5e@openmailbox.org> References: <12940f8a9be1fde49c9e9700480893a3@openmailbox.org> <87fv2fbbav.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87h9mny097.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443025176 5213 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2015 16:19:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: ludo@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 23 18:19:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZemlC-0003cH-PP for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:19:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49053 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZemlC-0005LD-3n for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zeml7-0005L1-2u for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zeml3-0007vC-Cp for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:19:05 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2.openmailbox.org ([62.4.1.36]:37724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zeml3-0007uf-1j for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:19:01 -0400 Original-Received: by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ECD52AC0E19; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:18:59 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=openmailbox.org; s=openmailbox; t=1443025139; bh=Rkrr1K5Ma6uUCv4RZunlH/vF1MBEwBdMyh1CfvDsFh0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=V07IDLjjatc7RBlzEFu9ncmB843dC2wyx9JA7QHlVNzKPJIbQSEx3uK4NKNSUovoo KLKus7KXHPsEoiwKQOiiNhgwN5j17Su+BAsMsvmfGS9CNlKXrN8KVwyXXHj8nM9NWf nMIbxSL9c5wIHvDqw24a+mH5KedXoW8/4zPxyMgU= Original-Received: from www.openmailbox.org (openmailbox-b2 [10.91.69.220]) by mail2.openmailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C9E2AC0E76; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mail2.openmailbox.org; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=fail (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral In-Reply-To: <87h9mny097.fsf@gnu.org> X-Sender: felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 62.4.1.36 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17857 Archived-At: On 2015-09-21 15:40, ludo@gnu.org wrote: > Hello! >=20 > Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo skribis: >=20 >> As part of the Guile project I imagine, I'd like to propose these >> visual modifications for the logo and the website. >>=20 >> Logo >> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/guile-logo-proposal-= 2015-06-16.png >=20 > I like it! >=20 >> Website mockup (some rough sketches here) >> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/website-mockup-2015-= 09-15.png >>=20 >> My intention with this proposal is, hopefully, to modernize the image >> of the project a bit and make it more attractive to potential users. >=20 > This is amazing! I really like the web site mockup. The drawings are > just awesome. Glad to hear that :) > Christopher Allan Webber skribis: >=20 >> First of all, I think this looks *amazing*! Will it keep these kind=20 >> of >> nice black and white drawings, or will the final result have a more >> refined look? Either way, I like the childrens' book type >> illustrations. (My request would be that if they do become colored,=20 >> the >> two children-programmers whose bodies are somewhat visible have >> different skin tones for diversity reasons. I think they look gender >> ambiguous enough because of the suits.) Honestly I think the rough >> black and white versions look very nice as-is though, and I am not=20 >> sure >> how to color them without a kind of watercolor look. Very "Where the >> Wild Things Are" meets robots. A good combination! >=20 > I would leave them as is; I think it=E2=80=99s fine without colors. >=20 >> Second, a friend of mine pointed out a couple of things: >>=20 >> - The "Guile is an extension language platform" section gives the >> impression maybe overly that it's an extension language far and=20 >> above >> being an independent language. Guile is certainly optimized for >> this, especially for legacy reasons, but more and more Guile >> applications seem to be written entirely within Guile itself. >=20 > +1 >=20 >> Maybe the text could be something like: >>=20 >> "Guile contains a neat and highly optimized virtual machine. >=20 > Or rather =E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6 an efficient compiler and virtual machine.= =E2=80=9D >=20 >> It can be used out of the box to write programs in Scheme, or >> can easily be integrated with C and C++ programs. >>=20 >> Guile is the GNU Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extensions, >> and the official extension language of the GNU project." >=20 > +1 Ok, I'm taking note of this. >> - It may be nice to show code examples. Lisp is often interpreted as >> being hard to read; I have found that a nice theme and >> rainbow-parentheses has reduced that fear for some users. Here's >> some examples of screenshots I have taken of my own emacs with >> various lisps... none of them are perfect, and this isn't scheme >> code, but to get the general idea: >>=20 >> http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_lisp_setup.png >> ^- Probably could do without the highlighting? >>=20 >> http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs-rainbow-all-the-things.png >> ^- Probably could do without the rainbow-delimeters? >>=20 >> http://dustycloud.org/tmp/emacs_wombat.png >> ^- Something different, but also a nice theme >>=20 >> I'm not 100% confident on this; showing "real code" might actually >> clutter things or make things more intimidating. The present >> design I think is fairly intimidation-free. >=20 > Maybe these could go under =E2=80=9CGetting Started=E2=80=9D? >=20 > I like what racket-lang.org does with the cycling code examples. An > option would be to still their idea (and code? ;-)). I'll add a code section then, with placeholder examples. > Other comments: >=20 > =E2=80=A2 In the =E2=80=9CExtend applications=E2=80=9D part, I would = remove Lua, move ECMA to > the back on the drawing, and add Scheme to the front; we might even > replace ECMA with C. In general, we don=E2=80=99t want to emphasiz= e > multiple-language support, so I would also remove it from the > heading. OK. > =E2=80=A2 The =E2=80=9CApplications=E2=80=9D part is a good idea. Un= fortunately, we cannot > (yet!) have LilyPond there (its port to Guile 2.0 is incomplete)=20 > and > TeXmacs (not sure what the status is.) >=20 > Perhaps Guile-Charting, Guile-Present, or Guile-OpenGL would make > for a nice picture, or maybe Guile-SSH for a black terminal-like > geeky image? OK. > =E2=80=A2 I noticed with the Guix web site that =E2=80=9CHelp=E2=80=9D= is a bit confusing > since it=E2=80=99s about getting help and not about helping out > (contributing). OK. How about "Learn"? > =E2=80=A2 I think we can remove =E2=80=9CBlog=E2=80=9D, but a news se= ction would be welcome, > possibly with a preview on the main page as you did for Guix? OK. My idea was to use a Haunt blog, in a git repository where people in=20 the community could contribute posts about anything Guile... > Thanks a lot! >=20 > Ludo=E2=80=99. Thanks for the feedback, Ludo=E2=80=99 :) With the feedback so far, I'm planning to make a revision of the mockup=20 this weekend to include the suggested changes. I'll be alert to any other comments in the meantime. --=20 Luis Felipe L=C3=B3pez Acevedo http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/