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From: Marius Vollmer <mvo@zagadka.de>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unicode and Guile
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:29:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87znf2ig46.fsf@zagadka.ping.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200311111902.LAA25202@morrowfield.regexps.com> (Tom Lord's message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:02:55 -0800 (PST)")

Tom Lord <lord@emf.net> writes:

>     ~ (grapheme=? g1 g2 [locale]) => <boolean>
>     ~ (grapheme<? g1 g2 [locale])
>     ~ (grapheme>? g1 g2 [locale])
>     [...]
>     ~ (grapheme-ci=? g1 g2 [locale])
>     ~ (grapheme-ci<? g1 g2 [locale])
>     ~ (grapheme-ci>? g1 g2 [locale])
>
>       The usual orderings.

Is it a good idea to have an ordering among graphemes, or would it be
better to only order texts, i.e., to allow for the context of a
grapheme to determine the order?

>     ~ (make-text-marker text index) => <marker>

What about having _only_ markers and not allow integers as indices?
Also, what about making TEXTs unmutable by default and instead let
TEXT-REPLACE, etc return a new text object?

>   The new TEXT? and GRAPHEME? types present a simple and traditional
>   interface to "conceptual strings" and "conceptual characters".  
>   They make it easy to express simple algorithms simply and without
>   reference to the internal structure of Unicode.

Indeed.

>   There is no essential difference between a grapheme and a text
>   object of length 1, and thus the proposal makes GRAPHEME? a 
>   subtype of TYPE.

Do we need the concept of grapheme at all, then?

> The proposal also makes it possible to pass strings everywhere that
> text can be used.   I think that's the more interesting direction: 
> just use text- and grapheme- procedures from now on except where you
> _really_ want to refer to octets.

Could we make strings/chars go away completely over time?  For vectors
of octets, there is u8vector? from SRFI-4.

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-12  0:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-21 17:15 Unicode and Guile Andy Wingo
2003-10-25 17:08 ` Stephen Compall
2003-10-26  0:03   ` Tom Lord
2003-10-26 12:34     ` Which Encoding? (was Re: Unicode and Guile) Stephen Compall
2003-10-31 13:25     ` Unicode and Guile Andy Wingo
2003-11-03 13:35       ` text buffers (was Re: Unicode and Guile) Stephen Compall
2003-11-03 20:34         ` Tom Lord
2003-11-04 10:04           ` Stephen Compall
2003-11-03 20:31       ` Unicode and Guile Tom Lord
2003-11-06 18:16         ` Andy Wingo
2003-11-11 19:02           ` Tom Lord
2003-11-12  0:29             ` Marius Vollmer [this message]
2003-11-12  1:40               ` Tom Lord
2003-11-12  2:30                 ` Marius Vollmer
2003-11-12  4:03                   ` Tom Lord
2003-11-12 16:59                     ` Marius Vollmer
2003-11-17 16:17             ` Andy Wingo
2003-11-12  0:06           ` Marius Vollmer
2003-11-12  1:27             ` Tom Lord
2003-10-31 13:16   ` Andy Wingo
2003-11-02 21:23 ` Kevin Ryde
2003-11-26 20:35 ` Mikael Djurfeldt

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