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From: ludovic.courtes@laas.fr (Ludovic Courtès)
To: "Julian Graham" <joolean@gmail.com>
Cc: Guile Development <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [r6rs-discuss] Implementors' intentions concerning R6RS
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:12:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zlxzmnqp.fsf@laas.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2bc5f8210710300801o6de398aeg968bcb73bb0cc5e@mail.gmail.com> (Julian Graham's message of "Tue\, 30 Oct 2007 11\:01\:05 -0400")

Hi,

Adding my two cents to the "wish list"...

"Julian Graham" <joolean@gmail.com> writes:

> Well, for what it's worth, faster live "interpretation" of Scheme is
> really important to me, whether that means some kind of Scheme JIT
> compilation a la GNU Lightning or whatever.

I believe the major interpreter performance improvements are to be
gained by algorithmic optimizations (e.g., closure invocation, variable
lookup), rather than micro-optimizations such as JIT.  That said, JIT is
a fascinating domain.  :-)

> * Faster GC (this is probably pretty similar to "faster interpretation")

I'm (still) interested in comparing the space/time tradeoff in Guile and
the `libgc'-based Guile.  We'll see.

Besides, I think using libgc would yield a number of practical
improvements for the end user: `scm_set_smob_mark ()' would become
useless in most cases and so would `scm_dynwind_free ()',
`scm_set_smob_free ()' could be avoided almost entirely in guile-core,
memory leaks would become less likely in the presence of non-local
exists, marking a tree-like structure would just work (see
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.guile.bugs/3558), etc.

> * Integrated debugging and profiling tools
>
> * Guile was initially proposed as a multi-language scripting platform;
> is that still part of the mission?

As Neil suggested, I'd say "no" for the time being.

> * Not related to 1.9 itself, but maybe a cleanup / redesign of the web
> page, including a cleanup of active projects, better integration with
> Savannah for bug tracking, etc.

Right.  I've been meaning to update the projects page for a while
actually...

> * Thorough updating of the documentation
>
> * Integration with Free Software VMs -- Bigloo currently lets you
> compile Scheme to CIL; it would be neat if you could do the same with
> Guile and then run on top of DotGNU.  Or Kaffe.  Or anything else.

I'm not too fond of CIL/Java bytecode, but choosing the bytecode format
should not be the most difficult thing.  ;-)

OK, so my goals for 1.9 would be:

  * Evaluate `libgc'-based Guile (see above).

  * Rewrite the interpreter in Scheme (or a subset thereof), with a
    tiny Scheme-to-C compiler.  That could be done in such a way that we
    could re-use, e.g., the memoization and unmemoization code that
    already exists in the first step.

  * Provide a documented C doc snarfing tool, written in Scheme, with a
    public Scheme doc snarfing API.  I started looking at it based on
    the modules I wrote for doc-snarfing in Guile-{Reader,Avahi,GnuTLS}.

  * Provide some Unicode support.  The hardest part, I think, is that
    we'd probably need to rewrite/extend the C port API.

Comments?

Thanks,
Ludovic.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-31 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <200710261850.l9QIo8Vu017241@garbo.cs.indiana.edu>
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0710261701241.9685@tesseract.thetesseract.org>
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     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0710280508300.19352@tesseract.thetesseract.org>
2007-10-28 18:16         ` [r6rs-discuss] Implementors' intentions concerning R6RS Neil Jerram
2007-10-28 18:29           ` Elf
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0710281146460.32075@tesseract.thetesseract.org>
2007-10-28 19:28             ` Neil Jerram
2007-10-29 15:30               ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-10-29 21:51                 ` Neil Jerram
2007-10-30  9:50                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-10-30 15:01                     ` Julian Graham
2007-10-30 23:15                       ` Neil Jerram
2007-10-31 14:55                         ` Julian Graham
2007-10-31 13:12                       ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2007-11-06 21:54                         ` Neil Jerram
2007-11-11 15:28                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-11-12 20:29                             ` Neil Jerram
2007-11-12 20:51                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-10-30 22:53                     ` Neil Jerram
2007-10-31 10:30                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-11-02 20:53                       ` Klaus Schilling
2007-11-03 11:14                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2007-11-03 17:49                           ` Klaus Schilling
2007-10-30 23:55               ` Andy Wingo
2007-11-03 18:15           ` Klaus Schilling
2007-11-04 12:39             ` Ludovic Courtès

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