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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Mike Gran <spk121@yahoo.com>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Using libunistring for string comparisons et al
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:09:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkp1p84m.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aah1qoc4.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:33:47 -0500")

I wrote:
> I'm aware that this proposal will be very controversial, but starting in
> Guile 2.2, I think we ought to consider storing strings internally in
> UTF-8, as is done in Gauche.  This would of course make string-ref and
> string-set! into O(n) operations.  However, I claim that any code that
> depends on string-ref and string-set! could be better written 

I guess I better write at least a few more arguments now, before minds
become hardened against it :)

It's a mistake to think of strings as arrays of characters.  This is an
adequate model for simple scripts, but not for more complex ones.  Even
Gerald Sussman said so in his recent WG1 ballot.

Gerald Sussman wrote in http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/wiki/WG1BallotSussman
> It is not very good to think of strings as 1-dimensional arrays of
> characters.  What about accents and other hairy stuff? Be afraid!
> Consider the complexity of Unicode!

I claim that any reasonable code which currently uses string-ref and
string-set! could be more cleanly written using string ports or
string-{fold,unfold}{,-right}.

Anyway, I don't have time right now to write as persuasive an argument
as I'd like to.  After 2.0.1 perhaps I will try again.

      Mark



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-11 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-11  0:54 uc_tolower (uc_toupper (x)) Mike Gran
2011-03-11 22:33 ` Using libunistring for string comparisons et al Mark H Weaver
2011-03-11 22:36   ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-11 23:09   ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2011-03-12 13:46     ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-12 17:28       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-13 21:30         ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:05           ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-13  4:05       ` O(1) accessors for UTF-8 backed strings Mark H Weaver
2011-03-13  4:42         ` Alex Shinn
2011-03-15 15:46           ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-16  0:07             ` Alex Shinn
2011-03-19 13:02             ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-30  9:20         ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-30  9:03     ` Using libunistring for string comparisons et al Andy Wingo
2011-03-31 14:19       ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-12 13:36   ` Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-03-12 21:28 Mike Gran
2011-03-15 17:20 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-15 20:39   ` Mike Gran
2011-03-15 22:49     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-16  0:01       ` Mike Gran
2011-03-16  1:12         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-16 11:26           ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-17 15:38             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-17 15:56               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-17 17:58                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-18  0:10                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-18  1:38                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-18  8:46                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-18 12:05                         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-20 22:12                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30 10:14                     ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-17 21:47           ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-19 12:31           ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-19 14:06             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 14:53               ` Noah Lavine
2011-03-19 15:49                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 15:08               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-19 19:43                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-19 16:37               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-03-20 21:49               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:50               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-29 12:39             ` Peter Brett
2011-03-29 13:35               ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-29 21:15               ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-31 14:59                 ` Peter Brett
2011-03-31 20:12                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-30  9:33       ` Andy Wingo
2011-03-16  0:22     ` Alex Shinn
2011-03-16  1:30 Mike Gran
2011-03-16  2:03 Mike Gran
2011-03-16 15:22 Mike Gran
2011-03-16 16:58 ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-03-17 18:07 Mike Gran

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