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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)?
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:08:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkewjvyz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87zkewa2vy.fsf@pobox.com

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> On Tue 13 Dec 2011 16:27, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> It sounds like `current-bindings' is the thing you need.
>>
>> It will at least be a year before any solution that does not work with
>> Guile 1.8 will be accepted into Lilypond.
>
> It is possible to have similar interfaces with different
> implementations, using `cond-expand'.  lily.scm does this in one case,
> implementing 2.0 interfaces on 1.8.
>
> I'll take a look at implementing something like this.
>
> To summarize your issue: you have code like:
>
>   (lambda (a b c)
>     #{ here I have custom code that references lexical variables;
>        should it be able to set them too?  }#) 
>
> It would be relatively easy to pass in an alist of the lexicals, for
> reference purposes; but do you want to be able to set them too, from
> within that EDSL?

The current implementation wraps scraps of code into (lambda () ...) and
executes them on-demand.  So the expectation is that embedded Scheme
code can have side-effects on the lexical environment like with

(let ((xxx 2))
  #{ #(set! xxx (1+ xxx)) #})

while something like

(let ((xxx 2))
  #{ xxx = "xx" #})

is not at the current point of time expected to work.  In fact, LilyPond
itself never accesses the lexical environment (or its simulation): the
environment is only made available to embedded Scheme.  It is basically
a black box, Scheme to Scheme.  Lilypond only uses the current module
for reading and writing variables.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-13 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-03 15:45 Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? David Kastrup
2011-12-03 16:44 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-06 14:55 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-12-06 15:45   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-06 19:50 ` Marco Maggi
2011-12-11  9:33   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-11  9:51     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12  5:21     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12  6:47       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 18:29         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 19:56           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 20:39             ` rixed
2011-12-12 21:02               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 21:58                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:40             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:50           ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13  9:02             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 13:05               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 13:56                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 14:34                   ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 15:27                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:48                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:08                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2011-12-13 16:27                           ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:54                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 18:58                               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 22:23                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 17:28                             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 18:49                               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 19:15                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 23:00                                   ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-13 23:16                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 23:44                                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:39                                     ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:45                                       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 10:15                                         ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:32                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  0:30                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  8:16                                         ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  0:42                                       ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14  0:47                                       ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14  1:30                                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  7:50                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  8:48                                         ` [PATCH] Implement `capture-lexical-environment' in evaluator Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  9:08                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  9:36                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16  9:21                                           ` [PATCH] Implement `the-environment' and `local-eval' " Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16  9:32                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 14:00                                               ` Peter TB Brett
2011-12-16 14:26                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 15:27                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 16:01                                                   ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 17:44                                                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 19:12                                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07  1:26                                                         ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-07 17:30                                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07  1:18                                                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 16:59                                                   ` Hans Aberg
2011-12-14 10:08                                         ` Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:27                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:35                                             ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 15:21                                               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 15:55                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 17:26                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 18:23                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 18:38                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 19:14                                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 19:44                                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:56                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 11:03                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 11:18                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:31                                             ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14 21:03                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 22:12                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:24                                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:55                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:24                         ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:52                       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 11:14             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:52             ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-12-14 14:27               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 21:30                 ` Ludovic Courtès

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