From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)?
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:08:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkewjvyz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87zkewa2vy.fsf@pobox.com
Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:
> On Tue 13 Dec 2011 16:27, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> It sounds like `current-bindings' is the thing you need.
>>
>> It will at least be a year before any solution that does not work with
>> Guile 1.8 will be accepted into Lilypond.
>
> It is possible to have similar interfaces with different
> implementations, using `cond-expand'. lily.scm does this in one case,
> implementing 2.0 interfaces on 1.8.
>
> I'll take a look at implementing something like this.
>
> To summarize your issue: you have code like:
>
> (lambda (a b c)
> #{ here I have custom code that references lexical variables;
> should it be able to set them too? }#)
>
> It would be relatively easy to pass in an alist of the lexicals, for
> reference purposes; but do you want to be able to set them too, from
> within that EDSL?
The current implementation wraps scraps of code into (lambda () ...) and
executes them on-demand. So the expectation is that embedded Scheme
code can have side-effects on the lexical environment like with
(let ((xxx 2))
#{ #(set! xxx (1+ xxx)) #})
while something like
(let ((xxx 2))
#{ xxx = "xx" #})
is not at the current point of time expected to work. In fact, LilyPond
itself never accesses the lexical environment (or its simulation): the
environment is only made available to embedded Scheme. It is basically
a black box, Scheme to Scheme. Lilypond only uses the current module
for reading and writing variables.
--
David Kastrup
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-12-03 15:45 Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? David Kastrup
2011-12-03 16:44 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-06 14:55 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-12-06 15:45 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-06 19:50 ` Marco Maggi
2011-12-11 9:33 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-11 9:51 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 5:21 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 6:47 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 18:29 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 19:56 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 20:39 ` rixed
2011-12-12 21:02 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 21:58 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:40 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:50 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 9:02 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 13:05 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 13:56 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 14:34 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 15:27 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:48 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:08 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2011-12-13 16:27 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:54 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 18:58 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 22:23 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 17:28 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 18:49 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 19:15 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 23:00 ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-13 23:16 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 23:44 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:39 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:45 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 10:15 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:32 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 0:30 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 8:16 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 0:42 ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14 0:47 ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14 1:30 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 7:50 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 8:48 ` [PATCH] Implement `capture-lexical-environment' in evaluator Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 9:08 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 9:36 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 9:21 ` [PATCH] Implement `the-environment' and `local-eval' " Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 9:32 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 14:00 ` Peter TB Brett
2011-12-16 14:26 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 15:27 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 16:01 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 17:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 19:12 ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07 1:26 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-07 17:30 ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07 1:18 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 16:59 ` Hans Aberg
2011-12-14 10:08 ` Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:27 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:35 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 15:21 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 15:55 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 17:26 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 18:23 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 18:38 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 19:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 19:44 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:56 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 11:03 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 11:18 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:31 ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14 21:03 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 22:12 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:24 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:55 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:24 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:52 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 11:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:52 ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-12-14 14:27 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 21:30 ` Ludovic Courtès
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