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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Eval, tail calls, (current-module), and backward compatibility
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:58:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkdkye86.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sjjdfj3c.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:36:23 +0100")

Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:

> On Tue 17 Jan 2012 22:02, Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:
>
>> Therefore, the R5RS leaves no possible way for a complaint `eval' to
>> restore the previous value of (current-module) after evaluation.
>> Indeed, this is prohibited at a semantic level.
>
> FWIW, Racket circumvents this problem nicely, with what they call
> "continuation marks".  We might be able to reuse their strategy in our
> with-fluids implementation.

I don't see how continuation marks could solve this problem.  They avoid
adding more frames to the stack, but that's not enough.  The R5RS says:

  A Scheme implementation is properly tail-recursive if it supports an
  unbounded number of active tail calls.  A call is _active_ if the
  called procedure may still return.

Therefore, even if you save the old value of (current-module) cleverly
somewhere other than the stack, these old values would still in general
use O(n) space, where N is the number of active calls to `eval'.

On the other hand, if `eval' stores the saved (current-module) within
the continuation outside of `eval', overwriting whatever value might
already be stored there (thus avoiding the O(n) problem), this would be
incorrect, because that outer continuation might have been stored
somewhere, and it should _not_ restore (current-module).

Fundamentally, if `eval' wishes to restore the former (current-module)
after evaluation of the expression, then the inner continuation of the
expression _must_ be semantically different than `eval's outer
continuation: the inner one _must_ restore (current-module), and the
outer one _must_ _not_ modify (current-module).

Or am I missing something?

    Thanks,
      Mark



  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-18 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-17  3:28 Eval, tail calls, (current-module), and backward compatibility Mark H Weaver
2012-01-17 11:02 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-17 21:02   ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-18  9:36     ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 19:58       ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2012-01-18 21:52         ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 21:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:01   ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 22:21     ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:27       ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 22:47         ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:56           ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-21 15:59 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-21 18:28   ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-21 18:33     ` David Kastrup
2012-01-21 19:06       ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-23 10:41 ` Andy Wingo

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