From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Eval, tail calls, (current-module), and backward compatibility
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:58:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zkdkye86.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sjjdfj3c.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:36:23 +0100")
Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> writes:
> On Tue 17 Jan 2012 22:02, Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:
>
>> Therefore, the R5RS leaves no possible way for a complaint `eval' to
>> restore the previous value of (current-module) after evaluation.
>> Indeed, this is prohibited at a semantic level.
>
> FWIW, Racket circumvents this problem nicely, with what they call
> "continuation marks". We might be able to reuse their strategy in our
> with-fluids implementation.
I don't see how continuation marks could solve this problem. They avoid
adding more frames to the stack, but that's not enough. The R5RS says:
A Scheme implementation is properly tail-recursive if it supports an
unbounded number of active tail calls. A call is _active_ if the
called procedure may still return.
Therefore, even if you save the old value of (current-module) cleverly
somewhere other than the stack, these old values would still in general
use O(n) space, where N is the number of active calls to `eval'.
On the other hand, if `eval' stores the saved (current-module) within
the continuation outside of `eval', overwriting whatever value might
already be stored there (thus avoiding the O(n) problem), this would be
incorrect, because that outer continuation might have been stored
somewhere, and it should _not_ restore (current-module).
Fundamentally, if `eval' wishes to restore the former (current-module)
after evaluation of the expression, then the inner continuation of the
expression _must_ be semantically different than `eval's outer
continuation: the inner one _must_ restore (current-module), and the
outer one _must_ _not_ modify (current-module).
Or am I missing something?
Thanks,
Mark
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-18 19:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-17 3:28 Eval, tail calls, (current-module), and backward compatibility Mark H Weaver
2012-01-17 11:02 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-17 21:02 ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-18 9:36 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 19:58 ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2012-01-18 21:52 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 21:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:01 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 22:21 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:27 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-18 22:47 ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-01-18 22:56 ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-21 15:59 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-21 18:28 ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-21 18:33 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-21 19:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-23 10:41 ` Andy Wingo
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