From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Guile 3 and wip-elisp/Emacs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 21:59:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgskrybd.fsf@web.de> References: <45-613b7600-3-2694eb00@100567081> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22038"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.6.5; emacs 27.2 Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Gregg Sangster Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 10 22:11:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mOmrX-0005QT-BT for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:11:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33334 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOmrV-0004xh-PO for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:11:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60572) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOmrD-0004wy-18 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:57731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mOmrA-0001zZ-7x for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 16:10:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1631304333; bh=H1QAsFubf5w4XQX08XPu5/uoOC+vzjMHgMYfWArzSC4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to; b=EruJTL94lVxGQgV5ZYxDKmUm8TWTzeo8GxSm4Dkis2madkdPtOVcE6bg42uIhQ/e5 1lLaybtBYFoTTpu83AhhGig1gE1my1d7AwhMshZ7EdbxH4tH7r3aS6+arydxZnLHCP eOuFsuy9am+0exHWPjtZg9H5vLQZMLznMinXp13M= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([84.165.30.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb006 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9qcr-1mLCPY1Faf-005vnZ; Fri, 10 Sep 2021 22:05:33 +0200 In-reply-to: <45-613b7600-3-2694eb00@100567081> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:x9Re+Y2zG77iIO6u+nvAke3/ulUWcxJ+WLcz3TZz3P6PpydHYva dvLJitlZVexoj0agYKem2krfTJTl4XcJidtmC65pV5yDELnVl8cHO6yyIl9ugMtCDf3ndmg a4wSTs50ZvNhoXA1SavcGpWlwFRUk/oDUT7lzje7kabjvOJ73+VMYoXnEET8P4I3MN/CM9u nvKwtYFG71cZ05ZntgJJQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4XY0aXhBGUk=:GXJAyGUOVA30yYsulHUWDu nSxjx/z9hxCPLxI+bffRdcmHUe4L0mLFUzbzV892ngEGjG/wlMAANzppwiu1xgHfZLXfuXAZM bY0o3ka7Lnvs7yZa3371qVpbraiYuDW3oG2frACYSj9kOnk2NZYZktiEyAOivEwFxM3SVt5Lt 3TGMCoSNVAoP6D5oPZZj1WrCkGWLnGL+1CHcLrBfexkhRlMX0wZqiLgnS7UIHuz1FFRtSNkiN nGxVsO0qxclw6G69+UnOlJBlRWi16Xob3CbUtYBq/RpKvpqkmV/b86PKiDrjIMztEXtCCCmOp wRQgAfOMgmqrLpOnN0fkScv5uW5DMonjtBhMy4mFs8pwNxVjlRPywKFs0G6XjFtYEBP/HFNf/ yUNAjsLMsl9ozRRKmazNnEGL9mLsdrBg1D/LixmjEz5lf0z+cmNDJilWyKqgia7DM66MgkARp zcykzMyXiZagetSZexR3xWvwW23kt/xQDQnMPjU9I3Q50dfNrkRywwbEGGekL2Juah/xrbgiU lR/oBbU6/pC4vgYqilp+nadVH/rnzk52YU9uM3Nh0TWUunU/BxSFc/3QDfBEsJkxWteinqVig uYjKwHwhrQDQwhkjPkU4tZuXRW43e6m7EiYtfe88wGf2hmrgZjchS4o/na7aTcsyuScZX3+Sw ZSdNZuPFIysTr7LdAG/ckNV0obJGVGyrZBCl6aYsoaB3Lf7mcR9rZ1VM3gNlhvk9ibOz4joWc CeNcvlnQrg41+Ro7Do2MisRs/aQ53kdwaA8qhpd/1GMp5QuhaIKFa1YutwH7rEKu5h7uNB/k Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.14; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20853 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Gregg, "Gregg Sangster" writes: > I've rebased the wip-elisp branch on top of commit 449f50dd84a081aea16ef6= 78e32bf37abe429ff6 (git describe: v3.0.4-64-g33232cb5c4). It's published h= ere: > > https://git.sr.ht/~g20r/guile I=E2=80=99m not a Guile core developer, but I think that this is awesome! > My question is if this is worthwhile work? I don't have much time to spe= nd on it but am happy to keep hacking away if there's still upstream intere= st. I think that there is upstream interest in Guile to improve the elisp implementation, but I=E2=80=99m not sure about Emacs. They added improvemen= ts to elisp that also provide better performance and they keep improving their elisp implementation. That said: Tools like fibers would be great to have in Emacs. The workload to finish this is considerable, though: IIRC You=E2=80=99ll ne= ed to solve some deeper problems that prevent Guile Emacs from using byte-compiled files (that=E2=80=99s why it currently has a very high startup time). That said, there is a guile-emacs package in guix, and Guile 3.0.7 is much faster than Guile 2. (please someone correct me if I=E2=80=99m wrong!) 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