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From: Marius Vollmer <mvo@zagadka.ping.de>
Subject: Smart variables, dumb variables
Date: 13 Aug 2002 22:06:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y9bajzfp.fsf@zagadka.ping.de> (raw)

Hi,

currently, our global variables are strictly passive containers.
Accessing a variable is just a memory reference.  I think we need to
keep this for performance reasons.

However, we might also want to have more fancy variables.  One might
want to get a notification when a variable is set, or one might want
to fetch the real value from some indirect location.

For example, Emacs has the ability to forward references to Elisp
variables to C variables.  C code can use a normal "int" variable,
say, and Elisp code can use that variable as well.  Translating
between Elisp representation and C representation of values is done
transparently, when Elisp accesses the variable.  RMS convinced me
that that would be a nice feature for Guile as well, in general.

One might say that it is probably better to not use variables for
this, but rather have a more abstract interface using setter and
getter functions.  But when designed carefully. the need to use
stters/getters for things that are in all respects just variables can
also feel awkward.  A good example are the forwarding variables of
Emacs.  It shouldn't really be visible to Elisp code that the
variables are forwarded to C variables (although they don't allow
non-integer values, thus making them different from other Elisp
variables, hmm).


I'd like to propose a slight modification to our variables that would
allow us to cleanly mess with what variables exactly are in the
future.

I would add a 'flags' field to variable smob (there is room for it),
with the following flags defined initially:

   - SCM_F_VARIABLE_DUMB 

     When set, the variable is 'dumb' and can be referened and set
     with SCM_DUMB_VARIABLE_REF and SCM_DUMB_VARIABLE_SET,
     respectively.  When it is not set, you need to call
     scm_variable_ref and scm_variable_set_x.

   - SCM_F_VARIABLE_READONLY

     When set, the variable can not be set.  You are not allowed to
     use SCM_DUMB_VARIABLE_SET and scm_variable_set_x will result in
     an error.

A future execution model (that is slowly forming in my head) will make
it so that most variable flags can be tested at compile time.  Thus, a
compiler can emit more efficient code for dumb variables.

One possible next step would be to somehow involve Goops in this and
turn scm_variable_ref into a generic function, the way scm_sum is
already.

Opinions?

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             reply	other threads:[~2002-08-13 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-13 20:06 Marius Vollmer [this message]
2002-08-14  8:07 ` Smart variables, dumb variables tomas
2002-08-14 19:35   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14 20:28     ` tomas
2002-08-14 20:48       ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14 21:06         ` rm
2002-08-14 21:09           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15  8:06             ` rm
2002-08-15  8:01               ` Lynn Winebarger
2002-08-15  9:51                 ` rm
2002-08-15 14:44               ` Rob Browning
2002-08-15 16:34               ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 17:27                 ` rm
2002-08-15 19:43                   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 20:02                     ` rm
2002-08-15 20:02                       ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 20:25                         ` rm
2002-08-17 11:59                         ` Neil Jerram
2002-08-19 23:29                         ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-20 12:01                           ` rm
2002-08-26 22:06                             ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 10:52         ` tomas
2002-08-15 16:36           ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-14 21:31 ` Rob Browning
2002-08-14 21:45   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15  2:43 ` Rob Browning
2002-08-15  6:29   ` Marius Vollmer
2002-08-15 14:38     ` Rob Browning

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