From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer?=) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Towards De-icing ice-9 modules. Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:51:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87y4aphu27.fsf@T420.taylan> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455353505 27664 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2016 08:51:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel To: Panicz Maciej Godek Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 09:51:39 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVvX-0006Sw-DI for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:51:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40444 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVvT-0006Bn-Fk for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:51:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVvQ-0006Be-C2 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:51:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVvP-0006ky-7Q for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:51:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]:36677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUVvP-0006jy-0B for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 03:51:31 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id p63so50090497wmp.1 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:51:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=igscQf4fAzT5kQ0fBjw9SiJI5HKF6Vo8H81VJNMFqZo=; b=wiwlguwodvS3IsVNzHGHAeh7ViFCZZqH0NCCELn4ZY8cI9WeDLHnuLQRYW6iQX+M7c 0rH7nyBF3unPKk/3NmYuDQ/yOFEnpJOjL/MhunPx76lB9JiTKaTpr3ReM0ct+h0bUPa4 /ZZyAZ+kyFAyOBWvAQMW50Mlou3J0i6vfmrlHPWs7W6w6oKvNT4FEyLQu9DpwT6c2mNt SlmL/+Gk4Zggo8viVUSeIl4wiLwDBjq1Ik12sfdPKLG1TbSpX5yzm3FOJY17HAb+Qqv3 vsQDot5WC8+/8pebkq8VvS0FYDhJEwqMnrWiGFG+lzvnNac6NiSTY8B/1ViWAJ2eepZS Vb9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=igscQf4fAzT5kQ0fBjw9SiJI5HKF6Vo8H81VJNMFqZo=; b=WNVBIJzK3B91sZHCv6aiCqS3PXegQbMNkdQh0Wb0HmuTaBuXLunI5htayk6cVYeDyZ FeWcirnD79wbZNGWVCDHFgcr0y4VmXNxxwxdfK3hFkf1iAblQe9UeN/TarGKCO73jr+A jsE9UkTPn+//NyIqCOfXy3w3+xe1Wb81rV8+lKXM5+0SHKl6kAI5hR7R7wJb2RZGi+Uj 0tYNIkiiyiHaCi+sQHJM9zNYfi9Y8XT1V4ujcYdwDEdpVC9sx4NLCOroTh8jD6QU3ztY O4AMcHDxuuButkdxP8Q/T0zmcpfnkdW7W6bCHSOlpaTpCjDPaONGBbtpjdvX63e1s11y 4vUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOScAZwPKhjkagO+qdlRbQWKtrt7LP/G1Sijh+iXgwT63QdnHxt0bhkhX0ksngY7QQ== X-Received: by 10.194.52.8 with SMTP id p8mr5799461wjo.62.1455353489869; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:51:29 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from T420.taylan ([2a02:908:c30:3ec0:221:ccff:fe66:68f0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r10sm15503350wjz.24.2016.02.13.00.51.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:51:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Panicz Maciej Godek's message of "Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:35:38 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::230 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:18176 Archived-At: Panicz Maciej Godek writes: > 2016-02-12 21:41 GMT+01:00 Chad Albers : > > > Hi, > > > In my attempt to assist the guile project, I thought I would share > a document on a plan to migrate some of the ice-9 modules into a > more intuitive, yet to be decided, namespace. Before I proposed a > technological plan, I have begun really an audit of what ice-9 > modules are available (and undocumented), and other modules that > guile ships with. (there are some secrets down there). > > Hi, > maybe I'm on a bit conservative side, but as far as I can tell, there > is a recurring suggestion is to rename modules called (ice-9 xxx) as > (guile xxx). > While I do agree that the "ice-9" name isn't particularly intuitive, > it does provide a metaphor that grasps the idea that inspired Guile. > > Beside this little difference -- that "ice-9" might be slightly > unobvious to newcommers -- I see no cognitive advantage in that > renaming, while there is a huge disadvantage of breaking backwards > compatibility of many programs that use Guile. > > If the modification was to be meaningful, we should group modules into > logical categories -- for example, rename (ice-9 and-let-star) to > (syntax and-let*), (ice-9 threads) to (control threads) and (ice-9 > readline) to (utils readline), for instance. I like the idea but if we do this we might want to add 'guile' in front of each (like (guile syntax and-let*), (guile control threads), etc.) since we share a namespace with RnRS libraries. > What I think would be a cooler idea is to provide a mechanism for > automatically fetching the required modules (in their required > versions) from specified git repositories, so that once a program is > written, one wouldn't have to worry about its dependecies. > > It would also be nice to have a tool that would be able to trace the > modifications in the source code to see whether it contains any > changes that could break the existing functionality compared to some > earler version. > > (this would probably be difficult to do in general, but perhaps there > are some common use cases that could be easily covered) > > Best regards, > Panicz Taylan