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From: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>
Cc: Marius Vollmer <marius.vollmer@uni-dortmund.de>,
	guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>, Greg Troxel <gdt@ir.bbn.com>
Subject: Re: The load path
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:21:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wtwyk70v.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <418D0EAE.40703@ossau.uklinux.net> (Neil Jerram's message of "Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:49:34 +0000")

Neil Jerram <neil@ossau.uklinux.net> writes:

> Yes, I understood that; I'm currently inclined against the proposal.

See my recent reply to Paul.  After some thinking, I'm similarly
inclined.

>   - The set of %load-path directories is a distribution decision, not
> a per-package decision.  In general, I think applications should be
> strongly encouraged to install their Scheme code in one of the
> distribution-wide %load-path locations, not in some
> application-specific directory (which would then need to be added to
> %load-path).

Agreed, with the one caveat that until/unless we end up with some
better module versioning support, we may need a bit of policy, at
least within distributions that support multiple installed versions of
Guile.

Imagine there's a guile add-on module package foo.  Also imagine that
it works fine with guile-1.6 and guile-1.8, but not guile-2.0.  It
needs to be able to arrange for itself to be available via
(use-modules (foo)) in the first two cases, but not in the last.

One easy way to do that with the current system would be to just tell
the add-on packages to put their files elsewhere (say /usr/share/foo)
and then set up the right symlinks during installation:

   /usr/share/guile/1.6/foo -> ../../foo
   /usr/share/guile/1.8/foo -> ../../foo

Of course Guile still needs better support for multiple installed
versions, presuming we're interested in such support upstream (bin/*
in particular).  Otherwise, I can continue to just work on that in
Debian.

> In my view, relying on the ordering of load path components is the
> way of madness (except in the particular-user-experimenting mode,
> where a user prepends their own directory to the load path in order
> to experiment), and it would be far better to agree guidelines for
> unique module names, and to work out a solution for module
> versioning.

I agree completely.

-- 
Rob Browning
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-06 21:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-16 17:52 The load path Andy Wingo
2004-10-17 19:40 ` Rob Browning
2004-10-17 23:13 ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-05 15:05 ` Marius Vollmer
2004-11-05 15:25   ` Paul Jarc
2004-11-05 16:43     ` Rob Browning
2004-11-05 17:43       ` Paul Jarc
2004-11-05 18:59         ` Rob Browning
2004-11-05 19:22           ` Paul Jarc
2004-11-05 22:05             ` Rob Browning
2004-11-06  7:25               ` Paul Jarc
2004-11-06 16:19                 ` Rob Browning
2004-11-06 22:58                   ` Rob Browning
2004-11-05 16:15   ` Rob Browning
2004-11-05 17:31   ` Andreas Rottmann
2004-11-05 18:57     ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-05 19:07     ` Rob Browning
2004-11-05 19:19   ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-05 23:53     ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-06  4:54       ` Rob Browning
2004-11-06 14:38         ` Andreas Vögele
2004-11-06 17:49         ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-06 21:21           ` Rob Browning [this message]
2004-11-07 18:46             ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-07 21:16               ` Rob Browning
2004-11-09 15:22               ` Paul Jarc
2004-11-10 18:43           ` Andy Wingo
2004-11-11 13:23             ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-12 21:31             ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-13  0:22               ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-13  1:08                 ` Rob Browning
2004-11-13 16:12                   ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-14 11:02                     ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-14 14:05                       ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-18 19:44                         ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-19 14:46                           ` Greg Troxel
2004-11-14 10:48                   ` Neil Jerram
2004-11-15 16:43                     ` Andy Wingo
2004-11-18 19:54                       ` Neil Jerram

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