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From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
To: MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>
Cc: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>,
	 Lassi Kortela <lassi@lassi.io>,
	 Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>,
	 Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>,
	 Greg Troxel <gdt@lexort.com>,
	"guile-devel@gnu.org" <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Name of the standard library
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:50:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wmlewuxk.fsf@elephly.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <26be9945-cd09-4268-825d-c35ba296a25f@msavoritias.me> (MSavoritias's message of "Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:15:14 +0300")

MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me> writes:

>> I actually liked that name — and still like it. Keep in mind that being
>> professional quality doesn’t require being teflon-proof naming. Python
>> includes `import this` and `import antigravity`. Because exposing ones
>> humanity isn’t a problem.
>
> Just a note here, I am that newbie :)
>
> And guile is much easier than whatever inside joke "ice-9" is.
>
> And no I don't need to "prove" myself by going through learning
> whatever ice-9 is.

Maybe I'm just pathologically uncurious, but I just "learned" it as an
opaque name and moved on.

Many years later I read "Cat's Cradle", which was very enjoyable, but
did not do anything to teach me about "ice-9".  (It pushed me into a
short Vonnegut reading frenzy; would recommend.)  There really is
nothing to *learn* here.

> We should make it easier to learn guile over time. I strongly disagree
> forcing newbies to go through the same things we did just to make a
> point.

There are countless obstacles when learning Guile (whether you're coming
from some other programming language or if Guile is your first).  The
name "ice-9" really isn't one of them.

-- 
Ricardo



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-21 16:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-29  0:19 [PATCH] Add nondestructive delq1, delv1, and delete1 Richard Sent
2024-06-29  2:52 ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea (was: [PATCH] Add nondestructive delq1, delv1, and delete1.) Thompson, David
2024-06-29  7:37   ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2024-06-29  8:12     ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-06-29  8:33       ` Damien Mattei
2024-06-29  9:59         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-06-29  9:07     ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea (was: [PATCH] Addnondestructive delq1, delv1, and delete1.) Maxime Devos
2024-06-29 10:41     ` Maxime Devos
2024-06-29 18:12       ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-06-29 18:18         ` Lassi Kortela
2024-06-29 18:27         ` Maxime Devos
2024-06-29 19:04           ` GRFI [was: The Guile junk drawer and a C plea] Matt Wette
2024-06-29 19:13             ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-02 19:42               ` Jason Hemann
2024-06-29 19:39             ` Jean Abou Samra
2024-06-29 21:53       ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Philip McGrath
2024-06-29 22:41         ` Maxime Devos
2024-06-30  7:12           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-06-30  9:45             ` Maxime Devos
2024-06-30 14:34               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-01  9:06                 ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-01 10:42                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-06-30  6:16         ` #lang header Lassi Kortela
2024-06-30  0:17     ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Thompson, David
2024-07-17  2:25     ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea (was: [PATCH] Add nondestructive delq1, delv1, and delete1.) Olivier Dion
2024-07-17 10:01       ` Library namespaces (guile ...) and (srfi ...) Lassi Kortela
2024-07-17 10:45       ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-17 10:53         ` MSavoritias
2024-07-17 11:12           ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-17 15:44             ` Olivier Dion
2024-07-17 16:09               ` tomas
2024-07-17 16:29                 ` Attila Lendvai
2024-07-17 20:32                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-18  9:04                     ` Attila Lendvai
2024-07-18 15:11                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-17 20:33           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-18 22:56             ` Greg Troxel
2024-07-19  8:46               ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20  9:34                 ` Attila Lendvai
2024-07-20 13:01                   ` [PATCH] " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-20 13:30                     ` Name of the standard library Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 14:52                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-20 15:24                         ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 15:46                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-20 16:04                             ` Portable code Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 16:24                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-20 16:37                                 ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 21:48                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-26  9:21                                     ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 16:11                             ` Name of the standard library Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 16:26                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-20 16:48                                 ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 18:42                                   ` Portable imports Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 19:18                                     ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 19:46                                       ` Encoding library names Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 20:35                                         ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-21  5:55                                       ` Portable imports tomas
2024-07-20 19:23                                     ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 16:54                                 ` Name of the standard library Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 21:56                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-26  9:38                                     ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 15:43                         ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 15:58                           ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-21  7:15                         ` MSavoritias
2024-07-21  8:04                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-26 16:37                             ` Library names describe APIs Lassi Kortela
2024-07-21 16:50                           ` Ricardo Wurmus [this message]
2024-07-21 13:00                         ` Name of the standard library Attila Lendvai
2024-07-20 16:01                       ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-20 16:27                         ` Lassi Kortela
2024-07-20 16:55                           ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-21 12:16                     ` [PATCH] The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Attila Lendvai
2024-07-21 21:10                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-22 14:52                         ` Attila Lendvai
2024-07-20 15:26                   ` Maxime Devos
2024-07-17 11:04         ` Lassi Kortela
2024-06-29 18:38   ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea (was: [PATCH] Add nondestructive delq1, delv1, and delete1.) Jean Abou Samra
2024-06-29 19:02   ` The Guile junk drawer and a C plea Richard Sent
2024-06-29 23:51     ` Thompson, David
2024-06-30  7:23       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-07-01  2:55   ` Maxim Cournoyer

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