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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] local-eval, local-compile, and the-environment (v3)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:46:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vcoc2o8o.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mx9o1z4n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:36:56 +0100")

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
> guile> (let ((x 2)) (eval '(begin (define x 4) x) (current-module)))
> 4
> guile> x
> 4
> guile>
>
> Right through to the top.  And we couldn't do that in local-eval.  But
> it also has no qualms just because previously evaluated forms would have
> used a previous definition of x.  But that's because of top-level.  Eval
> is always top-level, and define acts like set! there.

Yes, top-level is a very different animal than an internal body, despite
the superficial syntactic similarities.

> What if the-environment had been taken at top-level (basically just
> carrying the information of (current-module))?  Should local-eval then
> behave accordingly?  If so, could we not just fold eval and local-eval
> into one function?

This is a good question.  Unfortunately, there is a non-trivial
difference in the semantics of `eval' vs `local-eval'.

`eval' temporarily sets the (current-module) to its second argument
during evaluation of the expression.

`local-eval' does not do this, and as I recall that was something you
felt strongly about (and I agree).

> And one could then define
> (define current-module
>   (let ((top-level (the-environment)))
>     (lambda () (eval '(the-environment) top-level))))
> if the-environment just returns the current module when at top level?

I see what you're getting at, but this would be a bad idea, because it
still makes sense to have `module' be an independent type.

Also, in the code above, `top-level' would not actually be a top-level
environment, because (the-environment) is not a top-level form.  If you
put (define x 5) in place of (the-environment), it would not set a
top-level variable; it would produce an error.

     Mark



  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-16  5:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-15  6:27 [PATCH] local-eval, local-compile, and the-environment (v3) Mark H Weaver
2012-01-15 15:39 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-15 17:14   ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-15 17:38     ` David Kastrup
2012-01-15 18:15       ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-15 18:26         ` David Kastrup
2012-01-15 19:06           ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-15 19:24             ` David Kastrup
2012-01-15 19:52               ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-15 20:12                 ` David Kastrup
2012-01-15 20:36                   ` David Kastrup
2012-01-16  5:46                     ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2012-01-16  7:46                       ` David Kastrup
2012-01-16  7:57                         ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-16  8:44                     ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-16  9:07                       ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-16  9:34                       ` David Kastrup

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