From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Allan Webber Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: The Guile community we could have (or: solving Worse is More Accessible) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <87vba1io6i.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <12940f8a9be1fde49c9e9700480893a3@openmailbox.org> <877fnqlqtm.fsf@gmail.com> <574f30d4f5b0aef083a39ea7ad89fced@openmailbox.org> <03c272c09730d4aadb8c8e687992ec2b@openmailbox.org> <87io6yrp6x.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87lhayx706.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445353002 2749 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2015 14:56:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 16:56:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoYL2-0004TE-0i for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:56:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46189 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoYL1-0004VZ-GH for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:56:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51743) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoYKt-0004V6-Jk for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoYKo-0002Xs-Ka for guile-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:56:23 -0400 Original-Received: from dustycloud.org ([50.116.34.160]:33444) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoYKo-0002Xh-EO; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: from earlgrey (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dustycloud.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41AC8266E1; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 10:56:17 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: <87lhayx706.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 50.116.34.160 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17943 Archived-At: Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Christopher Allan Webber skribis: > >> To put it another way, many here have probably read the "Worse is >> Better" essays. That paradox of "better" I think sticks in the craw o= f >> many lispers; something both seems wrong and yet frustratingly right >> about it. Maybe another way to look at it: "Worse is more accessible"= , >> or "worse has the path of least resistance", or also importantly, "wor= se >> is where I felt welcomed." Given that, no wonder many people feel saf= e >> and better rather than what lispers believe is "the right thing". >> >> But maybe we could have both. I believe it requires effort, and perha= ps >> a rebranding of imagery. The wizard towers are still there if you wan= t >> them... I doubt any lisper or schemer will give up on Guile or Scheme >> because of some fun and inviting drawings. The fun drawings don't tak= e >> anything away! But they add something: they make Guile feel like >> somplace, even as a newcomer, you might belong. > > I=E2=80=99ve had your message and thoughts in the back of my mind for s= ome time > and yes, your characterization of wizardry and the message it conveys t= o > newcomers, suggesting both a place where =E2=80=9Cmagical=E2=80=9D thin= gs happen and an > intimidating community, makes a lot of sense to me. > > The new web site seems like a way to improve that image, indeed! > > Ludo=E2=80=99. \o/