[PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Nala Ginrut]

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Hi folks!
Our new main site really rock, right?

I believe that we may add more to "Applications using Guile".
Here's mine, the entry of GNU Artanis.

Attached the patch.

Happy hacking!


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From e6b323352382898b570e81c9f43b970c3facb1a3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:42:49 +0800
Subject: [PATCH] Added GNU Artanis info

* website/apps/base/index-page.scm
* website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
---
 website/apps/base/index-page.scm     |    9 ++++++++-
 website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm |   10 +++++-----
 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)

diff --git a/website/apps/base/index-page.scm b/website/apps/base/index-page.scm
index 712a7ac..68d3a76 100644
--- a/website/apps/base/index-page.scm
+++ b/website/apps/base/index-page.scm
@@ -231,7 +231,14 @@
 	     (img (@ (src ,(static-url "base/img/apps-thumbnails/sly.png"))
 		     (alt "")))
 	     (h3 "Sly")
-	     (p "2D/3D game engine")))
+	     (p "2D/3D game engine"))
+	    (a
+	     (@ (class "app-example")
+		(href "http://web-artanis.com"))
+	     (img (@ (src ,(static-url "http://web-artanis.com/img/logo.png"))
+		     (alt "")))
+	     (h3 "GNU Artanis")
+	     (p "Web Application Framework")))
 	   (section
 	    (@ (id "news") (class "free-flow-box"))
 	    (h2 "News")
diff --git a/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm b/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
index 3485888..5389cbc 100644
--- a/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
+++ b/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
@@ -197,12 +197,12 @@
 	 (p (b "License: ") "GPL"))
 	(section
 	 (@ (class "lib"))
-	 (h3 (a (@ (href "http://gitorious.org/glow/ragnarok/"))
-		"Ragnarok"))
+	 (h3 (a (@ (href "http://web-artanis.com/"))
+		"GNU Artanis"))
 	 (p (span (@ (class "guile-version-tag")) "Guile 2.0"))
-	 (p "A server for HTTP and other Internet protocols, with support "
-	    "for templates, CGI, and more.")
-	 (p (b "License: ") "LGPL 3 or later"))
+	 (p "GNU Artanis is a web application framework(WAF) written in Guile Scheme."
+	    "for templates, MVC, Relational Mapping and more.")
+	 (p (b "License: ") "GPLv3+ and LGPLv3+"))
 	(h2 (@ (id "tools")) "Tools")
 	(p "These projects are tools for or implemented with Guile. Mostly, "
 	   "these are the types of things that automate documentation or "
-- 
1.7.10.4

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hi,

Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi folks!
> Our new main site really rock, right?
>
> I believe that we may add more to "Applications using Guile".
> Here's mine, the entry of GNU Artanis.

I think it would be a great idea to include Artanis in Guile's website.

>>From e6b323352382898b570e81c9f43b970c3facb1a3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:42:49 +0800
> Subject: [PATCH] Added GNU Artanis info
>
> * website/apps/base/index-page.scm
> * website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm

It would be nice to use ChangeLog style for the website.  What about
something like:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
libraries: Add GNU Artanis.

* website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm (libraries-page): Add GNU Artanis.
* website/apps/base/index-page.scm (index-page): Likewise.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Also you have removed “Ragnarok”.  if it is related to this change can
you explain it in the commit log otherwise please do a separate patch.

On a more general topic, IIUC Artanis is not an “application” but a
library so maybe it is not a good idea to include it in (index-page)
since it uses the term “applications using Guile“ (The same problem will
apply to Sly I guess).  WDYT?

Thanks,

--
Mathieu Lirzin

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Thompson, David]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> wrote:

> On a more general topic, IIUC Artanis is not an “application” but a
> library so maybe it is not a good idea to include it in (index-page)
> since it uses the term “applications using Guile“ (The same problem will
> apply to Sly I guess).  WDYT?

Yes, I think it would be best to move Sly out of there and into the
libraries page.  It really isn't ready for the spotlight it has now
because I haven't made a single official release.

What should we put in its place?

- Dave

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Matt Wette]

In connection with this thread I have kept crude notes on announcements of guile-based libraries and packages announced on guile-user.   Here is the list.  If there is some format that should be used I can update, but the community may want to edit want says and what goes.   Let me know how I can help. — Matt


Here's guile-tap [1] which os based on Mikael Svantesson's work.
It is a very basic drop-in library for unit testing using the 
Test Anything Protocol (TAP). One can also combine it with 
Automake's tap driver to generate nicely colored output.
Author: jan@wedesoft.de
https://github.com/wedesoft/guile-tap

it is packaged C backed vlist and vhash routines
that can be used as a simple stand in for guile's vlist and vhashes. 
Use it if you want to see if faster vhashes or vlists can improve 
your code. It can also be used in the case you need thread safeness. 
If so ask on the list and I will give you instructions of how to enable 
that. This is a temporary solution untill we get native  compilation.
Author: stefan.itampe@gmail.com
https://gitorious.org/civilist/


Currently it allows to set arbitrary poses to a humanoid robot, and 
simulate its behavior in a realistic physical environment (brought 
by the Open Dynamics Engine)
Author: godek.maciek@gmail.com
http://puszcza.gnu.org.ua/software/slayer/


An emacs mode for guile unit tests
Author: alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com
https://gitorious.org/guile-test-mode


guile-www
This is the Guile WWW library, a set of Guile Scheme
 modules to facilitate HTTP, URL and CGI programming.
Author: ttn@gnuvola.org
Site: http://www.nongnu.org/guile-www/


Guile-PG is a collection of modules for Guile allowing access to
 the PostgreSQL RDBMS from Scheme programs.
ttn@gnuvola.org
http://www.nongnu.org/guile-pg/


I'm pleased to announce Guile-SSH 0.8.0:
 https://github.com/artyom-poptsov/guile-ssh/releases/tag/v0.8.0
A signed package can be found here:
 - ftp://memory-heap.org/software/guile-ssh/guile-ssh-0.8.0.tar.gz
 - ftp://memory-heap.org/software/guile-ssh/guile-ssh-0.8.0.tar.gz.sig
Guile-SSH is a library that provides access to the SSH protocol for GNU
Guile programs.  Guile-SSH 0.8.0 API is sufficient for building of SSH
servers and SSH clients.  In addition, it provides key management
facilities that allow to read and manipulate private and public keys,
and generate new keypairs.
poptsov.artyom@gmail.com
Artyom Poptsov


GNU Artanis is a web application framework(WAF) written in Guile Scheme.
It is designed to support the development of dynamic websites, web
applications, web services and web resources. Artanis provides several
tools for web development: database access, templating frameworks,
session management, URL-remapping for RESTful, page caching, and so on.
Author: Nala Ginrut <mulei@gnu.org>
http://web-artanis.com


https://github.com/artyom-poptsov/guile-dsv
Guile-DSV is a GNU Guile module for reading and writing of the DSV
format. [1]
poptsov.artyom@gmail.com Artyom V. Poptsov


gzochi is a framework for developing massively multiplayer online games. A 
server container provides services to deployed games, which are written in 
Guile Scheme, that abstract and simplify some of the most challenging and 
error-prone aspects of online game development: Concurrency, data 
persistence, and network communications. A very thin client library can be 
embedded to provide connectivity for client applications written in any 
language
http://www.nongnu.org/gzochi/
Julian Graham joolean@gmail.com


set-o-mat 
I have made some fairly good progress into making a set library that takes 
assoc like objects like assoc's and vhashes, and ouputs a functional set / 
setmap / ordered set / ordered setmap library that includes the complement 
operator. 
https://gitlab.com/tampe/set-o-mat
stefan.itampe@gmail.com


GNU Guix is a functional package manager for the GNU system.
 The Guix System Distribution is (GuixSD) an advanced distribution
 of the GNU system.
http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
ludo@gnu.org Ludovic Courtes


Thien-Thi Nguyen ttn@gnu.org
http://www.gnuvola.org/software/xdgdirs/
It displays the names and values of the XDG_* env vars
related to the XDG Basedir Specification provided at
http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/


Ludovic Courtes ludo@gnu.org
http://www.nongnu.org/guile-reader/
Guile-Reader is a reader creation framework for Guile.  It can be
thought of as an alternative to Guile's built-in reader.


I've made a little library for communicating threads with messages
[1], in an Erlang similar way.  You're free to play with it, if you want.
[1] http://git.jsancho.org/?p=tinymsg.git
Javier Sancho Fernández - http://www.jsancho.org/
Associate Member of the Free Software Foundation - http://www.fsf.org/
Contra el DRM - http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm


Viper (Pre-Release C0 alfa): a remake of the classical Visual Display Editor 
to replace Emacs and its Viper mode for me.
There is a bazaar repository (and other Launchpad goodies) at:
https://launchpad.net/viper-editor
System Dependencies: GNU Guile version 1.8.8 or compatible, stty 
version 8.23 or compatible from GNU coreutils
michele.titke@o2online.de
Michael Tiedtke


http://github.com/wedesoft/aiscm

https://github.com/ChaosEternal/guile-scsh


* Guile-Gnome Homepage: 
	http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome
* Guile-Gnome 2.16.3 release tarball GPG signature [*]:
       http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/guile-gnome/guile-gnome-platform/guile-gnome-platform-2.16.3.tar.gz
       http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/guile-gnome/guile-gnome-platform/guile-gnome-platform-2.16.3.tar.gz.sig


Today I share with you the current version of guile-wiredtiger.
wiredtiger is similar to gdbm ie. a key/value store persisted to disk with the following features:
- records are ordered by keys using the lexicographic order
- ACID with different semantics (speed vs consistency)
- column aware with index support
It's the storage engine of recent versions mongodb.
Wiredtiger documentation is good, I recommend it:
 http://source.wiredtiger.com/
This is the second version of those bindings, I first did
the bindings using the C API for some reason. I end using
ffi which is not as difficult as I though thanks to nalaginrut and ijp work.


nyacc, for Not Yet Another Compiler-Compiler!, is a LALR parser generator 
written entirely in guile 2.0.
NYACC is similar function to the lalr module in guile-2 but it is coded in scheme from the ground up, and provides more functionality.   In addition, nyacc comes with a module to aid in the construction of lexical analyzers.
It is now a project on savannah.nongnu.org, with licensing covered by
* GNU General Public License, v3
* GNU Lesser General Public License, v3
* GNU Documentation License, v1.3
http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/nyacc/
git clone git://git.savannah.nongnu.org/nyacc.git


David Thompson <davet@gnu.org>
At its core, Haunt is a very simple program. To build your site, Haunt
takes your posts and static assets as input, passes them to a series of
user-defined building procedures that return one or more page objects,
and outputs all of the generated pages to the file system.  All of the
"good stuff" is implemented in the builder procedures. Haunt 0.1 comes
with very simple blog and Atom feed generators.  Currently supported
post formats are SXML and HTML.
For those that want to give it a spin: After building Haunt, check out
the 'example' or 'website' directories in the source tree and run the
following and then visit 'localhost:8080' in your web browser to see the
results:
   ../pre-inst-env haunt build
   ../pre-inst-env haunt serve
Patches are very much welcome.  In particular, adding readers for
Markdown/Skribe/Org/ReStructuredText posts and improving the built-in
blog generator would make Haunt much more usable to others.
The release tarball URL and its respective SHA1 checksum:
http://files.dthompson.us/haunt/haunt-0.1.tar.gz
c81dbcdf33f9b0a19442d3701cffa3b60c8891ce
Home page: http://haunt.dthompson.us/


I'm pleased to announce the ninth development release of the gzochi game 
development framework.
The project description, from Savannah: gzochi (/zoʊ-tʃiː/) is a framework for developing massively multiplayer online games. A server container provides services to deployed games, which are written in Guile Scheme, that abstract and simplify some of the most challenging and error-prone aspects of online game development: Concurrency, data persistence, and network communications. A very thin client library can be embedded to provide connectivity for client applications written in any language. 
This release is focused on quality and stability; dozens of memory leaks and functional defects have been resolved, and the server can more reliably handle a large volume of messages and connected clients. In addition to that, the release includes a handful of new features:
* The distribution now ships with a suite of performance benchmarks for gzochid, the gzochi server container
* New statistics about message transmission are published to the web administrative console
* ...and more! See the NEWS files in the distribution for details
This is a development release; the framework is likely not bug-free. Nonetheless, there's extensive server and client documentation, and the distribution includes three example games with heavily-annotated source code. For more information, visit the web site at http://www.nongnu.org/gzochi/ or check out the project page on Savannah, at http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gzochi/ -- you can pick up the release from the downloads section. 
Julian - joolean@gmail.com


I am pleased to announce the release of Shroud 0.1.  Shroud is a
simple secret manager with a command line interface.  The password
database is stored as a Scheme s-expression and encrypted with a GnuPG
key.  Secrets consist of an arbitrary number of key/value pairs, making
Shroud suitable for more than just password storage.  For copying and
pasting secrets into web browsers and other graphical applications,
there is xclip integration.
Yes, I know, yet another password manager.  This was to scratch an itch
of mine.  I wasn't happy with any other password management programs
available.  They either didn't use GnuPG or used storage formats that I
didn't like.  For me, the simple s-expression format (just an alist!) is
a big win because of how easy it is to manipulate the structure either
programattically or by hand.
Usage information may be found on Shroud's home page:
http://dthompson.us/pages/software/shroud.html
Bug reports may be sent to me directly.
Download: http://files.dthompson.us/shroud/shroud-0.1.tar.gz
David Thompson
davet@gnu.org

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[David Pirotte]

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Hi Matt,

> In connection with this thread I have kept crude notes on announcements of
> guile-based libraries and packages announced on guile-user.   Here is the list.
> If there is some format that should be used I can update, but the community may
> want to edit want says and what goes.   Let me know how I can help. — Matt

I'd like to add to your list :)

(a)	Kisê

	https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2014-03/msg00006.html

Note that gitorious is down, so I added the following comment to my web site
[http://altosw.be/projects.html]

	Kisê's web-pages are active, tarballs available as well, but it's source
	code site, gitorious, is down. We're working on an official GNU Project
	request and Savannah project page: we will upload the link asap.

(b)	Guile-Clutter

As soon as I find the time to solve a Guile-lib 'make distcheck' problem, I'll
release 1.12.2.  New web pages are almost ready, here:

	https://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/clutter/

	[ note that the web page above claims it's been released, but no announcement
	[ has been made yet, that's just the new web pages mock-up...

Cheers,
David

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-04 19:55, Matt Wette wrote:
> In connection with this thread I have kept crude notes on
> announcements of guile-based libraries and packages announced on
> guile-user.   Here is the list.  If there is some format that should
> be used I can update, but the community may want to edit want says and
> what goes.   Let me know how I can help. — Matt


Thanks, Matt. I think I can start adding them on Monday little by little 
:)

-- 
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

"Thompson, David" <dthompson2@worcester.edu> skribis:

> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> On a more general topic, IIUC Artanis is not an “application” but a
>> library so maybe it is not a good idea to include it in (index-page)
>> since it uses the term “applications using Guile“ (The same problem will
>> apply to Sly I guess).  WDYT?
>
> Yes, I think it would be best to move Sly out of there and into the
> libraries page.  It really isn't ready for the spotlight it has now
> because I haven't made a single official release.
>
> What should we put in its place?

GDB!  What would the associated picture be?

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[William ML Leslie]

On 5 November 2015 at 20:58, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
> GDB!  What would the associated picture be?

A brass clockwork cockroach!

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-05 04:58, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> "Thompson, David" <dthompson2@worcester.edu> skribis:
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On a more general topic, IIUC Artanis is not an “application” but a
>>> library so maybe it is not a good idea to include it in (index-page)
>>> since it uses the term “applications using Guile“ (The same problem 
>>> will
>>> apply to Sly I guess).  WDYT?
>> 
>> Yes, I think it would be best to move Sly out of there and into the
>> libraries page.  It really isn't ready for the spotlight it has now
>> because I haven't made a single official release.
>> 
>> What should we put in its place?
> 
> GDB!  What would the associated picture be?
> 

GDB, The GNU Project Debugger? It has a mascot:

https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mascot/

Someone on #guile also suggested WeeChat <http://weechat.org/>, which 
can be scripted using Guile:

http://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_scripting.en.html

I'll just wait for orders :)


-- 
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http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Replace Sly on the website main page? (was: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page)

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:

> On 2015-11-05 04:58, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
[...]
>> GDB!  What would the associated picture be?
>>
>
> GDB, The GNU Project Debugger? It has a mascot:
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mascot/
>
> Someone on #guile also suggested WeeChat <http://weechat.org/>, which
> can be scripted using Guile:
>
> http://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_scripting.en.html

Maybe It is better to use Weechat to emphasize the idea that Guile is
not focus only on GNU packages.

--
Mathieu Lirzin

Re: Replace Sly on the website main page? (was: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page)

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-05 17:22, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
>> On 2015-11-05 04:58, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> [...]
>>> GDB!  What would the associated picture be?
>>> 
>> 
>> GDB, The GNU Project Debugger? It has a mascot:
>> 
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/mascot/
>> 
>> Someone on #guile also suggested WeeChat <http://weechat.org/>, which
>> can be scripted using Guile:
>> 
>> http://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_scripting.en.html
> 
> Maybe It is better to use Weechat to emphasize the idea that Guile is
> not focus only on GNU packages.

Good point.



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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

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Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> Someone on #guile also suggested WeeChat <http://weechat.org/>, which
> can be scripted using Guile:
>
> http://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_scripting.en.html

Sounds like a good idea.  I think we can add both Weechat and GDB.

Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:

> Another solution would be to make a zoomed screenshot of emacs GUD with
> one breakpoint in the fringe.  WDYT?

Yes, or something like this (final size) to show a GDB pretty-printer:


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A bit hard to read, so I don’t know.  Original screenshots at:

  http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2-cropped.png
  http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile1.png
  http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2.png
  http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile3.png

Thoughts?

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-06 04:19, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
> 
>> Someone on #guile also suggested WeeChat <http://weechat.org/>, which
>> can be scripted using Guile:
>> 
>> http://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_scripting.en.html
> 
> Sounds like a good idea.  I think we can add both Weechat and GDB.
> 
> Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:
> 
>> Another solution would be to make a zoomed screenshot of emacs GUD 
>> with
>> one breakpoint in the fringe.  WDYT?
> 
> Yes, or something like this (final size) to show a GDB pretty-printer:
> 
> 
> 
> A bit hard to read, so I don’t know.  Original screenshots at:
> 
>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2-cropped.png
>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile1.png
>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2.png
>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile3.png
> 
> Thoughts?

I'm fine with adding both Weechat and GDB. For the latter, as Mathieu 
says, I think a close-up would work. For example:

https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png

I don't know what's a "breakpoint in the fringe", tho :)


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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> I'm fine with adding both Weechat and GDB. For the latter, as Mathieu
> says, I think a close-up would work. For example:
>
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png

Works for me!

> I don't know what's a "breakpoint in the fringe", tho :)

A red bullet to the left of the Emacs window.  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:

> On 2015-11-06 04:19, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
>> A bit hard to read, so I don’t know.  Original screenshots at:
>>
>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2-cropped.png
>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile1.png
>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2.png
>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile3.png
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I'm fine with adding both Weechat and GDB. For the latter, as Mathieu
> says, I think a close-up would work. For example:
>
> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png

I'm fine with Adding both Weechat and GDB too.  For the GDB pic, I don't
have a strong opinion on the amout of zoom.  It might improve
readability to use a “slight“ hinting for the font.  A less black emacs
theme might fit the Guile website better (like Wombat or Adwaita).  OTOH
I'm not the designer here, so I'm confident you will DTRT.  ;)

Ludo: Can you describe how to reproduce the example from your screenshot?

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Dirk-Jan C. Binnema]

On Sunday Nov 08 2015, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
>
>> On 2015-11-06 04:19, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
>>> A bit hard to read, so I don’t know.  Original screenshots at:
>>>
>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2-cropped.png
>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile1.png
>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2.png
>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile3.png
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I'm fine with adding both Weechat and GDB. For the latter, as Mathieu
>> says, I think a close-up would work. For example:
>>
>> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png
>
> I'm fine with Adding both Weechat and GDB too.  For the GDB pic, I don't
> have a strong opinion on the amout of zoom.  It might improve
> readability to use a “slight“ hinting for the font.  A less black emacs
> theme might fit the Guile website better (like Wombat or Adwaita).  OTOH
> I'm not the designer here, so I'm confident you will DTRT.  ;)
>
> Ludo: Can you describe how to reproduce the example from your screenshot?

With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
(part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?

https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html

Cheers,
Dirk.

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-08 15:35, Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote:
> On Sunday Nov 08 2015, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
> 
>> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
>> 
>>> On 2015-11-06 04:19, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
>>>> A bit hard to read, so I don’t know.  Original screenshots at:
>>>> 
>>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2-cropped.png
>>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile1.png
>>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile2.png
>>>>   http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/tmp/gdb-guile3.png
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> I'm fine with adding both Weechat and GDB. For the latter, as Mathieu
>>> says, I think a close-up would work. For example:
>>> 
>>> https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png
>> 
>> I'm fine with Adding both Weechat and GDB too.  For the GDB pic, I 
>> don't
>> have a strong opinion on the amout of zoom.  It might improve
>> readability to use a “slight“ hinting for the font.  A less black 
>> emacs
>> theme might fit the Guile website better (like Wombat or Adwaita).  
>> OTOH
>> I'm not the designer here, so I'm confident you will DTRT.  ;)
>> 
>> Ludo: Can you describe how to reproduce the example from your 
>> screenshot?
> 
> With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
> that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
> (part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?
> 
> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html
> 
> Cheers,
> Dirk.

Mathieu, could you take the screenshot? Maybe with your suggestions and 
Dirk-jan's? I don't use GDB (I'm not there yet :P).


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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> On 2015-11-08 15:35, Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote:

[...]

>> With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
>> that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
>> (part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?
>>
>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dirk.
>
> Mathieu, could you take the screenshot? Maybe with your suggestions
> and Dirk-jan's? I don't use GDB (I'm not there yet :P).

Mathieu?  What’s up?  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
>
>> On 2015-11-08 15:35, Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
>>> that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
>>> (part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?
>>>
>>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dirk.
>>
>> Mathieu, could you take the screenshot? Maybe with your suggestions
>> and Dirk-jan's? I don't use GDB (I'm not there yet :P).
>
> Mathieu?  What’s up?  :-)

I was waiting to get the screenshot done, but I have overestimated my
motivation to look into GDB Guile pretty printing.  I think that for now
we can use:

  https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png

Sorry every one for my late answer.

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:

> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>
>> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-08 15:35, Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
>>>> that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
>>>> (part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?
>>>>
>>>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dirk.
>>>
>>> Mathieu, could you take the screenshot? Maybe with your suggestions
>>> and Dirk-jan's? I don't use GDB (I'm not there yet :P).
>>
>> Mathieu?  What’s up?  :-)
>
> I was waiting to get the screenshot done, but I have overestimated my
> motivation to look into GDB Guile pretty printing.  I think that for now
> we can use:
>
>   https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png

LGTM!  Could you add it to the web page?

> Sorry every one for my late answer.

No problem, there’s no urgency here.  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:
>
>> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>>
>>> Mathieu?  What’s up?  :-)
>>
>> I was waiting to get the screenshot done, but I have overestimated my
>> motivation to look into GDB Guile pretty printing.  I think that for now
>> we can use:
>>
>>   https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png
>
> LGTM!  Could you add it to the web page?

I will do that in a batch with my other patches.

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:
>
>> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>>
>>> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-08 15:35, Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> With the rest of the website looking so very welcoming, I could imagine
>>>>> that the gdb screenshot might look a bit scary to newcomers; perhaps
>>>>> (part of) the foo-pretty-printer[1] would be a bit easier to digest?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Writing-a-Guile-Pretty_002dPrinter.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dirk.
>>>>
>>>> Mathieu, could you take the screenshot? Maybe with your suggestions
>>>> and Dirk-jan's? I don't use GDB (I'm not there yet :P).
>>>
>>> Mathieu?  What’s up?  :-)
>>
>> I was waiting to get the screenshot done, but I have overestimated my
>> motivation to look into GDB Guile pretty printing.  I think that for now
>> we can use:
>>
>>   https://multimedialib.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gdb-guile1.png
>
> LGTM!  Could you add it to the web page?
>

Done in 7a2a06a1dd8dc4e6120ed5e3a6969a6dc8361a35.

Thanks,

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:

> Done in 7a2a06a1dd8dc4e6120ed5e3a6969a6dc8361a35.

Thank you!

I noticed that the dates of the news items were in French, so I pushed
commit 1ef16ee in guile-web.git and regenerated the Web pages.

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Ludovic Courtès]

Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:

> Ludo: Can you describe how to reproduce the example from your screenshot?

M-x gdb guile, then hit C-c anytime, go to the ‘scm_eval’ frame, and
print the value of ‘exp’ (you need to have libguile-2.0-gdb.scm
installed for the ‘SCM’ pretty-printer, and a Guile-capable GDB.)

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

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ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> "Thompson, David" <dthompson2@worcester.edu> skribis:
>> What should we put in its place?
>
> GDB!  What would the associated picture be?

I'm fine with adding GDB. What about adding its current mascot?


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Another solution would be to make a zoomed screenshot of emacs GUD with
one breakpoint in the fringe.  WDYT?

Thanks for your suggestion.

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Nala Ginrut]

On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 22:27 +0100, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
> Also you have removed “Ragnarok”.  if it is related to this change can
> you explain it in the commit log otherwise please do a separate patch.
> 

Now that Luis has updated to add Artanis to libraries, I think I don't
have to send the patch twice. ;-)
Anyway, I could explain it here. Ragnarok as a generic server is
obsolete now, it'll be replaced by Artanis as a monolithic framework
with a strong server core (this will happen in v0.2+).

Ragnarok is pthread based server in OOP way. After I've played FP for
years, I found I dislike OOP gradually. And I dislike pthread more.
Artanis has almost all the features in Ragnarok. Actually, the brand new
server-core in Artanis named after "Ragnarok". I think the meaning is
clear enough for folks. ;-)


> On a more general topic, IIUC Artanis is not an “application” but a
> library so maybe it is not a good idea to include it in (index-page)
> since it uses the term “applications using Guile“ (The same problem will
> apply to Sly I guess).  WDYT?

Yes, it should be put to Libraries. And I suggest add a entry of
Libraries below Applications, since it's not so easy to find "libraries"
link.

Best regards.

Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Mathieu Lirzin]

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Nala Ginrut <nalaginrut@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, 2015-11-04 at 22:27 +0100, Mathieu Lirzin wrote:
>> Also you have removed “Ragnarok”.  if it is related to this change can
>> you explain it in the commit log otherwise please do a separate patch.
>> 
>
> Now that Luis has updated to add Artanis to libraries, I think I don't
> have to send the patch twice. ;-)
> Anyway, I could explain it here. Ragnarok as a generic server is
> obsolete now, it'll be replaced by Artanis as a monolithic framework
> with a strong server core (this will happen in v0.2+).

Thanks for your explanation.  In fact Luis has only append Artanis
without removing Ragnarok, so here is the updated patch to remove the
Ragnarok entry.


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From 8df2c33eff51eb74cae4f4324eece56a8be283fc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:04:55 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] libraries: Remove Ragnarok.

* website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm (libraries-page): Remove Ragnarok
  which has been declared obsolete by its author.

Suggested-by: Nala Ginrut <mulei@gnu.org>
---
 website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm | 8 --------
 1 file changed, 8 deletions(-)

diff --git a/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm b/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
index b2a4775..320b17b 100644
--- a/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
+++ b/website/apps/base/libraries-page.scm
@@ -208,14 +208,6 @@
 	    "parsing user-supplied style information and for querying the "
 	    "resulting cascade using SXML/SDOM documents or plain text.")
 	 (p (b "License: ") "GPL"))
-	(section
-	 (@ (class "lib"))
-	 (h3 (a (@ (href "http://gitorious.org/glow/ragnarok/"))
-		"Ragnarok"))
-	 (p (span (@ (class "guile-version-tag")) "Guile 2.0"))
-	 (p "A server for HTTP and other Internet protocols, with support "
-	    "for templates, CGI, and more.")
-	 (p (b "License: ") "LGPL 3 or later"))
 	(h2 (@ (id "tools")) "Tools")
 	(p "These projects are tools for or implemented with Guile. Mostly, "
 	   "these are the types of things that automate documentation or "
-- 
2.6.2


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Since you are the author of Ragnarok, I would suggest to add in the
README file a statement that Ragnarok is obsolete/unmaintained.

Thanks,

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Re: [PATCH] Added Artanis info to new main page

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-11-04 13:49, Nala Ginrut wrote:
> Hi folks!
> Our new main site really rock, right?
> 
> I believe that we may add more to "Applications using Guile".
> Here's mine, the entry of GNU Artanis.
> 
> Attached the patch.
> 
> Happy hacking!

I added Artanis to the libraries page. The change will be visible with 
the next website update.

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