From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:07:01 +0200 Organization: AvatarAcademy.nl Message-ID: <87tv8726lm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87blugg7dt.fsf@pobox.com> <87r23c4109.fsf@netris.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="115274"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Andy Wingo , guile-devel@gnu.org To: Mark H Weaver Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 17 09:07:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iKzsZ-000Tqn-1L for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:07:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38116 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iKzsX-00058T-CW for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 03:07:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47916) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iKzsH-00058F-Ge for guile-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 03:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iKzsG-0001mX-SK; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 03:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mx.verum.com ([31.223.170.65]:20222 helo=dundal.peder.onsbrabantnet.nl) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iKzsG-0007I1-4A; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 03:07:04 -0400 X-Url: http://AvatarAcademy.nl In-Reply-To: <87r23c4109.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:24:27 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20090 Archived-At: Mark H Weaver writes: > Andy Wingo writes: >> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for >> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished >> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and >> shipped them in the 2.9.4 release; > > The funny thing is, I don't actually have a strong opinion on this > particular change. > > What I *do* have a strong opinion on is that you made the decision > unilaterally, without discussion on the mailing list I have been worrying a bit about this change because I do not see how to implement it in Mes. I did not speak up because I believe that our bootstrapping efforts should not hold Guile development back. > Ludovic and I only found out about the change after the public > announcements had already been made. > > Can you understand why I consider this behavior to be dictatorial? Yes, I can see that now. However, having met Andy I could not have imagined that something like that could have been his motivation. It would be great if we all could spend some time together. > For what it's worth, despite our disagreements, I still sincerely > believe that you are acting in good faith, and fighting for what you > believe is right. I hope that you can believe that I'm doing the same. When you left that was pretty discouraging for me: I enjoyed and much appreciated your recent help with the Guix bootstrap. Thank you for that! I am happy you have decided to come back. Greetings, jannneke --=20 Jan Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE http://AvatarAcademy.com