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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: 13188-done@debbugs.gnu.org, guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Whats' the proper senario of par-map? (Was Re: bug#13188: par-map causes VM stack overflow)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:07:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sj3fxp8v.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ip4b9zfv.fsf@tines.lan> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:00:52 -0400")

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:

> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
>
>> Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> skribis:
>>
>>> It only makes sense to use 'par-map' when the procedure is fairly
>>> expensive to compute.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>> There is inevitably a lot of overhead in creating and joining the
>>> threads.
>>
>> We use a thread pool, so there’s no such cost.
>
> Sorry, I was using the term 'threads' not in the sense of OS-level
> threads, but in a more general sense.  I should have been more clear.
>
> What I meant is that from the user's perspective, threads are being
> created and joined, and even if you build those using a pool of OS-level
> threads, this inevitably involves thread synchronization, which is very
> expensive on modern architectures.  So I maintain that there _is_ such a
> cost, and it can't be avoided.

Ah yes, OK.

> The point I was really trying to make here, in the simplest possible
> terms, is that it will *never* make sense to replace all uses of 'map'
> with 'par-map' wherever it is safe to do so.

Indeed!

Ludo’.



  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-28 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1355559152.27310.5.camel@Renee-desktop.suse>
     [not found] ` <87y5d8rclr.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-03-28  2:55   ` Whats' the proper senario of par-map? (Was Re: bug#13188: par-map causes VM stack overflow) Nala Ginrut
2013-03-28  5:05     ` Mark H Weaver
2013-03-28 13:44       ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-03-28 18:00         ` Mark H Weaver
2013-03-28 20:07           ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2013-03-29  2:36       ` Nala Ginrut
2013-03-29  5:49         ` Mark H Weaver
2013-03-29  6:00           ` Extremely high overhead of 'par-map' Mark H Weaver
2013-03-29 20:24             ` Noah Lavine
2013-03-29 20:27               ` Noah Lavine
2013-03-29 23:18                 ` Mark H Weaver
2013-03-30 23:37             ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-03-29 16:45           ` Whats' the proper senario of par-map? (Was Re: bug#13188: par-map causes VM stack overflow) Mark H Weaver
2013-04-01 19:10           ` Andy Wingo
2013-03-29  9:52         ` Ludovic Courtès

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