From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Backward compatibility status Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:29:35 +0100 Message-ID: <87r5nxug7k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267958976 8795 80.91.229.12 (7 Mar 2010 10:49:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:49:36 +0000 (UTC) To: guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 07 01:30:03 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1No4Nd-0002NA-Gn for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:30:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55144 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1No4Nc-0004bk-PR for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:30:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1No4NZ-0004be-Ou for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:29:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37016 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1No4NY-0004bB-QR for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:29:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1No4NX-0001be-FL for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:29:56 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:46869) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1No4NX-0001bU-43 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:29:55 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1No4NU-0001gG-Bf for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:29:52 +0100 Original-Received: from acces.bordeaux.inria.fr ([193.50.110.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:29:52 +0100 Original-Received: from ludo by acces.bordeaux.inria.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:29:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: acces.bordeaux.inria.fr X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 17 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vent=F4se?= an 218 de la =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0xEA52ECF4 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 83C4 F8E5 10A3 3B4C 5BEA D15D 77DD 95E2 EA52 ECF4 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iFtKmWhIjFc4/yT1l+YOTNmfI0E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:10024 Archived-At: Hello, A number of Guile-using applications and libraries are tested against the latest 1.9 release, using a recent stable release: http://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/nixpkgs/guile2test/with-status As you can see, there’s a lot of red crosses, but you can help! :-) Here’s a summary of the reasons of these build failures: | Name | Cause | |---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------------------| | autogen-5.9.8, beast-0.7.1 [1], | GH | | drgeo-1.1.0, gnucash-2.2.9 [2], | GH | | texmacs-1.0.7 [3] trackballs-1.1.4 | GH | | guile-cairo-1.4.0, guile-gnome-2.16.1 | depends on guile-lib | | guile-lib-0.1.6 | `define-macro-with-docs' | | g-wrap-1.9.13 | guile-lib, `scm_closure', `scm_add_method' | | lilypond-2.13.9 | `scm_internal_hash_fold' & `scm_t_hash_fold_fn' | | mailutils-2.1, dico-2.0 [4] | `SCM_IM_*', `SCM_RESET_DEBUG_MODE', etc. | | mcron-1.0.4 | invalid `configure' check | | snd-9.4 | `scm_i_procedure_arity' | [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598490 [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=598491 [3] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.editors.texmacs.devel/4006 [4] http://mail.gnu.org.ua/mailman/listarchive/bug-dico/2010-01/msg00000.html Note how much GH is still used... I think we should make the transition as smooth as we reasonably can. To that end, you can take action in one of the following areas: 1. See whether/how backward compatibility can be retained for each of these. 2. Document how people are expected to transition away from the deprecated APIs, possibly provided Coccinelle semantic patches for C-level changes (see http://coccinelle.lip6.fr/). 3. Contact application/library developers and help them transition to 2.0. If you know of other apps/libraries worth testing, please let me know. Thanks! Ludo’.