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From: Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer <taylanbayirli@gmail.com>
To: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
Cc: Ian Grant <ian.a.n.grant@googlemail.com>, guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A comprehensible introduction to Ian Grant's ideas
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:32:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r3yokob2.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fvf4fl9p.fsf@netris.org> (Mark H. Weaver's message of "Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:22 -0400")

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:

> Ian, you are a _terrible_ communicator.  IMO, your biggest problems are:
>
> 1. You present your ideas in a far too abstract way, making it hard for
>    those of us who haven't already been long acquainted with your ideas
>    to begin to understand them.
> 2. You write far too much, making it hard for us to find the few
>    writings of yours that might be able to get through our thick skulls.
> 3. You insult us, making us predisposed to want to dismiss you.

I'd like to say that I thoroughly agree.

> However, I found a blog post of yours that I believe is a relatively
> good introduction to your ideas.  I suspect this is because it is a
> response to Paul Koning, who had the effect of keeping your thoughts
> organized, and less abstracted.
>
> * * *
>
> For those who would like to try to understand Ian's ideas, I would
> recommend first reading this excellent interview with Edsger Dijkstra,
> which Ian cites in his post:
>
>   http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/misc/vanVlissingenInterview.html
>
> and then read Ian's response to Paul Koning:
>
>   http://livelogic.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-free-fair-and-forged.html
>
>      Best,
>       Mark

Thanks!


Of course thanks to Ian as well, for actually bringing up the ideas,
even if in somewhat a headache inducing way.

Taylan



  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-04 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-04  5:37 A comprehensible introduction to Ian Grant's ideas Mark H Weaver
2014-10-04 12:32 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayirli/Kammer [this message]
2014-10-05  1:57 ` Ian Grant

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