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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)?
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:12:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pqfq7qg8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87fwgmn9w6.fsf@netris.org

Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org> writes:

> Hi Noah,
>
> Noah Lavine <noah.b.lavine@gmail.com> writes:
>> Perhaps this is obvious to everyone else, but it just occurred to me
>> that (capture-local-environment) is just
>> (call-with-current-continuation), but running in the environment of
>> the evaluator instead of the program being evaluated. It's as though
>> the evaluator was going to look in a tree for more code, but hit a
>> special node and did a (call/cc). I hope other people find this
>> interesting.
>
> Ah yes, that's an excellent point!

(define (my-eval form env)
  (call-with-current-continuation
   (lambda (x)
     (env (list x form)))))

(define-macro (my-env)
  (call-with-current-continuation
   identity))
     

(format #t "~a" (my-eval '(+ x 3) (let ((x 4)) (my-env))))

> In fact it makes me wonder whether `the-environment' and `local-eval'
> could actually be implemented this way.  I see some complications that
> might make this strategy impractical or fragile, most notably that we
> must be assured that the (call/cc) does not happen until
> (the-environment) would have been _evaluated_, whereas the
> expander/memoizer/evaluator will want to see what code is there _before_
> evaluation.  I'll have to think about this.  There might be an easy and
> robust way to do this, or maybe not.

Feel free to experiment with the above.  I have my doubt that it leads
to sane behavior.  In particular, it will refinish macro expansion (so
you don't want significant material behind it) and reevaluate the
_whole_ eval it is in up to the point of calling my-env (so you don't
want significant material before it).

So it is more a joke than anything of practical value.  But is _is_ good
for a few dropjaws.

-- 
David Kastrup




  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-14 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-03 15:45 Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? David Kastrup
2011-12-03 16:44 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-06 14:55 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-12-06 15:45   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-06 19:50 ` Marco Maggi
2011-12-11  9:33   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-11  9:51     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12  5:21     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12  6:47       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 18:29         ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 19:56           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 20:39             ` rixed
2011-12-12 21:02               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-12 21:58                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:40             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-12 21:50           ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13  9:02             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 13:05               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 13:56                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 14:34                   ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 15:27                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:48                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:08                         ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 16:27                           ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:54                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 18:58                               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 22:23                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 17:28                             ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 18:49                               ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 19:15                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-13 23:00                                   ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-13 23:16                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 23:44                                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:39                                     ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 23:45                                       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 10:15                                         ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:32                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  0:30                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  8:16                                         ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  0:42                                       ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14  0:47                                       ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14  1:30                                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  7:50                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  8:48                                         ` [PATCH] Implement `capture-lexical-environment' in evaluator Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14  9:08                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14  9:36                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16  9:21                                           ` [PATCH] Implement `the-environment' and `local-eval' " Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16  9:32                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 14:00                                               ` Peter TB Brett
2011-12-16 14:26                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-16 15:27                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 16:01                                                   ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 17:44                                                     ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-16 19:12                                                       ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07  1:26                                                         ` Andy Wingo
2012-01-07 17:30                                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2012-01-07  1:18                                                       ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-16 16:59                                                   ` Hans Aberg
2011-12-14 10:08                                         ` Anything better for delayed lexical evaluation than (lambda () ...)? Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 10:27                                           ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:35                                             ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 15:21                                               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 15:55                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 17:26                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 18:23                                                 ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 18:38                                                 ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 19:14                                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 19:44                                                     ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:56                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-14 11:03                                           ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 11:18                                             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:31                                             ` Noah Lavine
2011-12-14 21:03                                               ` Mark H Weaver
2011-12-14 22:12                                                 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2011-12-14 22:24                                                   ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 22:55                                                 ` Andy Wingo
2011-12-13 16:24                         ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 15:52                       ` David Kastrup
2011-12-13 11:14             ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 13:52             ` Ludovic Courtès
2011-12-14 14:27               ` David Kastrup
2011-12-14 21:30                 ` Ludovic Courtès

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