From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: FOSDEM 2019 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 00:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87o97sv51q.fsf@web.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="31331"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 Cc: guile-devel To: mikael@djurfeldt.com Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 04 00:14:27 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gqQy3-00082O-If for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 00:14:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33298 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gqQy2-00077N-Hi for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:14:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58100) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gqQxi-000776-Ok for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:14:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gqQxi-0001Kk-1n for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:14:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:43691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gqQxh-0001K2-Nq for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2019 18:14:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1549235635; bh=devJuEoQvLVzDeYqqLUtVySpXATyDpUIkXXXzWC3Khc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=PbZind6W/U02B6o3uDoTTGrrESDJKNscAdOCx7zNp3Z0KNvhonqo0oIx+5IasDJCA Dwys/HG7ZmQu0hKyymSeY+qX1+O0huhypmG0FBmVYQaNkGOJo1XpQ5bSpWzV/ZSE97 1e+CnZmcJRlUgCNmZCfpmRBK/j8sTgNReW79Cs4Q= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([80.136.18.3]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lu52Q-1hFDKn0wzu-011P9g; Mon, 04 Feb 2019 00:13:55 +0100 In-reply-to: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:rCxUZgv1hoygXFTkzJeTyPKqV5grPBrJqx6zKfb8J7r9hcIC8CS SWgSIsMfWfzOKOsA6XHCTrod4z+Dzo2RpAfUyZWYC6+Zd2FmtcnJuc7djdE9+ecc0oMEvc+ XFX5Yj4cplUvy7Vq+ir+l5CgWn4y+NyHMaiKK9YNvAu3DUfxfNYwSJlsrUUAiXc3VG/RXiq 7ko+/KByPpHeJenPl1uyQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:FvsSbKKsruw=:BxD/AV7SrDEK5Nu4At1OgO 9Eao7v4h1Pj1CtKyt605ua7xhFi98gVCI9ZPlVOaieS8zoVJ48cO6cklc3Z77cpe16kBuTmLP xzkMEUeK4Wtp7prTfzXS3Ryq2EoAmRG7NLY28BPotiAorWfl5hGBF7H1L6EWXgGiLxg0nj+8q xYSF9jLMhzinh9ANM0SEmOn054IoFdnmLs84nqLscTw2huYqby8pVJwHKVAMDqUQej/pB+8vJ eVLPPbk4aoJm1xM4WoR/cS0xtbe0JKlwMZWewwLvU1hhJbHHgf+6eMMIBq8qs6A1UAUxfy0D2 nG71nUncYvmbBxgX1IbrRWc+EyxfbjkZHnczM7Su1EvMTcDAJRGCNbq2d/jcmhPkFAuih6cpL QIOn4JnD9zl1ww/Imkbe7sin+PgRm4Ce/gieIBhPnaGStsnurKw3nrfANBhwccS2aLDTkVMAU 91Ug/A8FhcSDwpl4+LiN6pMC3LHpyS0AwAQUcV/HHLXyHHGq3Qg9y0ybqXf21AcHTLyy5z4eZ IBCYMktDOSxJLV0eNSJBJkv4zGtysOVfY0wf0qiwbyWWVIxM7N1E0Rs5fY/HcLP8lYFwJ+qqd 2zQaEBqgKGPo/YSX/4VaELkI0jZC+1oN7WJ6YlL5i1Yyn32Ru53x1s/OBDNhFPPQZ3iVaB0Jx COnEKsQCLjQmjSChRWAiSV+/foymnJ5v3zQlpX5VVTILL2lMpzbcwP2mu10pjios8g2yfCSvh hx3xllxYifzpVj5X2f15OAJDahxkIixlja7yC2YC9xl7u7rcxvnUedZEdBR/sGOfZQl6y8ew X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.12 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:19815 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mikael Djurfeldt writes: > It was a great experience and joy for me to meet some of you at FOSDEM > 2019. Thank you all! Thank you, too! > Now a piece of advice. > > Everyone who works with Guile knows that it's crap and look with envy at > projects like Chez and Racket, right? I=E2=80=99ll ignore for a moment that this is a rhethoric method and answer directly: No, I don=E2=80=99t think that Guile is crap. It is actually real= ly good, and while there are missing parts, I enjoy working in Guile more than I enjoy working in Python. Even when I use parentheses :-) The talk by Christopher Webber basically described the importance of shiny =E2=80=94 all the bits other people already polished. A similar argum= ent cuts for using Python, and even Java. This does not make it invalid: Chris is right that shiny is important; but it is not all-important, especially not in the long run. And different from many other projects, Guile takes the long run seriously. And seeing my scripts finish within 60ms is impressive. It=E2=80=99s not yet perl-level startup-time, but it already beats Python (by a narrow margin). > That is all good, unless it hurts the sense of meaning and joy in your > work. Thank you for these words! > I think it is pretty strong and impressive, and I wouldn't like to live > without it. It's especially important to look at Guile as a good breeding > ground for new amazing work. > > That said, we should steal and collaborate all we can! +1! 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