From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Arne Babenhauserheide Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: Logo baseline Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87muak9zh1.fsf@web.de> References: <87a76kx3g2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="27060"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.1 Cc: Andy Wingo To: guile-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 23:23:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iswVX-0006zM-91 for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:23:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45346 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iswVW-0004zd-2V for guile-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:23:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36758) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iswUN-0004zK-Le for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iswUM-00018C-CC for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:22:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:59185) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iswUL-00016G-UG for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:22:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1579386156; bh=LAgLAyhKTX0Bu1maOGHK9YRan6pmyeH1UZArSztQMLU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=b0eN0xvDTIkCr3XOR1P8z+elo9t/6AnY5rYqob2SITE245CJv9AD7mobZsIIHAj0T qdIjVhGHxz4ToTgKVLZ4V1JqF60u4i06nHKmibEMHDsALR8x7cc6Avf3XvEiO3UDkY 4kUtdW70IvqSnHdT5B9fHMNoqS1OnJIdJyLV6u84= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from fluss ([84.165.17.138]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTPit-1j27Ip0A11-00SNc5; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:22:36 +0100 In-reply-to: <87a76kx3g2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:GG21jWumusCm9qpK3qSmQFAo9DmPTdOWV3DiIdzFqDHIG2f+fAy S+5GpVTGcZo5IH6LRR3kNMMClIVtHFYksPwDEfnTfEq45tbq2/kPCXJAduw7tQ2SDDSVbdC MMhLDQFk5MjtN5S8kMovBpC0FUv4cfCpYg0IEK94MDT+qURc9tdINQBGCStGrpjzSn2952k EzhzI+1Ure/x7dUI2Nwgw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:y8vj3D5gRSA=:msnIsEqZ2S3G7g6+dc2i0B gtEjfDjdJ8pUUbjLCbttWcFD4k4OJcOoe23gj0rOvsBoZYduMo5mDxjvR2H+rHUubnOyBYDgQ 5XjZRySXOlebCU1IrxQnI8Ffx5Py1cYUZcWwwlbSdpVM7Ndun3ToUGPHBLmwJjDRQYld/61XF leNNgrJ7lPY8nO5o+QjUjtq9+rWo5bUrFA4GIqu3ss3HD4sPkJucz+S9CWjFhdCdq+ytMbMp1 xuijAX1LphzjhIajqQrVJNpnkPbf/4zt7lR09M88XClXFwdoU8sNttWuZjFhINADM3GsvaK6d mwdW0U8a4qQlOcKTdb8MnTdTMeD8NvauXNSQ29CfCMH/+GJsGAFoPwcp3VcDmG0WlGOEBT+c2 CeAGd50YqAy/xyl3wp+bDb9un5kez0+n47JiaDpoXKoatAgaU2flM+jtrS85NgdG8w5BJLSAZ 8JnOpKuk+Alf8kL+UrTQAIY5UtQLpZnZ+XZ4ZpHgjQUEPhGWwBDsY7NVNushPEskjN1jZt5JJ 29PM7YV3aKTijwiiF2497XumHBzVR6q7abcYiAGAlyAHI8zIDAwbaIVGJ+6cCLW7jnmAa47LL nGoQEPLDPkDtf4rJU92GcescWQDPCgA1Q0wGe9s4egmJEYYqxWFq8BeF+sq6fOERA2ieD0Aoo stQNPGGC1g7XyX+lbGplXseCBwkoVqseIbLUjuYkbdI1bp6zXXjkAskWqCz+IEfmYqEt0QLBV P3Yo0XPYU9xg3mPA/IQfu9DcGaPbFmoQY7laX421b/OekCQopm9fdekcZMb9N9AyHEQkddeg X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.12 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20300 Archived-At: Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hello Guilers! > > The Guile logo has this =E2=80=9CGNU extension language=E2=80=9D baseline= . As Guile 3 > came out, this baseline felt odd to me, not quite corresponding to the > way I see Guile. What do you mean about the logo? Do you mean tagline? Where I see a tagline is at the website: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ As one point of several we have there: "Guile is an extension language platform =E2=80=A6 Guile is the GNU Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extensions, and the official extension language of the GNU project." That=E2=80=99s an important statement, one which brought me to Guile, becau= se this gives Guile purpose beyond only being a useful language. It is the language to extend GNU programs. But aside from this, the website also says: - Guile is a programming language -> create applications (this is what it s= tarts with!) - Extend applications (which actually talks about implementing languages in= Guile) - Guile empowers users with "practical software freedom" The Reference manual says "GNU's Programming and Extension Language" https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/static/base/img/covers/guile-reference.p= ng So the material already states clearly that Guile is not only for extension. However that extending applications is part of the story is an important point for me: This also implies that it=E2=80=99s easy to move parts of my application into the fastest language I can find. It=E2=80=99s unlikely that Guile will beat C for raw performance *and* memo= ry requirements for the most performance-critical part of an application, so knowing that I can shift that part into C (or C++ or Rust or anything else with C-bindings) is an important point. Being able to easily embed Guile in a C++ application is a distinguishing feature compared to Python. That way Guile strikes a middle-point between Python and Lua. Also I would love to have a way to script a Godot-game with Guile: https://godotengine.org/ > Thus, I=E2=80=99d propose changing the baseline. Something that would de= scribe > what Guile is to me is: > > GNU, fast, fun, functional > > What=E2=80=99s about you? What=E2=80=99s Guile to you? :-) It is the language where I can best experiment with pushing the boundaries of programming without having to write my own compiler. Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken