From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:24:00 -0400 Message-ID: <87lfti1pp0.fsf@netris.org> References: <87blugg7dt.fsf@pobox.com> <87r23c4109.fsf@netris.org> <87tv8726lm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="110583"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: Andy Wingo , guile-devel@gnu.org To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 18 09:25:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMdI-000SVR-JK for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:25:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35878 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMdH-0007rE-3N for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMdC-0007r5-6p for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMdB-0007uI-4C for guile-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:38008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMdB-0007tn-0h; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:25:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLMd8-0003bP-Tj; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 03:24:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tv8726lm.fsf@gnu.org> (Jan Nieuwenhuizen's message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:07:01 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.112.178.59 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:20102 Archived-At: Hi Jan, Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Mark H Weaver writes: > >> Andy Wingo writes: >>> Before the RMS/GNU/FSF conversation started, Mark Weaver left Guile, for >>> essentially unrelated reasons. He threatened to leave because he wished >>> to be consulted before I landed mixed definitions and expressions and >>> shipped them in the 2.9.4 release; >> >> The funny thing is, I don't actually have a strong opinion on this >> particular change. >> >> What I *do* have a strong opinion on is that you made the decision >> unilaterally, without discussion on the mailing list > > I have been worrying a bit about this change because I do not see how to > implement it in Mes. There's a straightforward way to translate a body containing mixed definitions and expressions into a 'letrec*'. It's illustrated in the commit log, and in the manual: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/commit/?id=20535922147cd5992330962aaa5c4986563fc905 https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/tree/doc/ref/api-binding.texi?id=5284b9b9c6cecc404a912acaefce2b883ac0dbba#n284 Mark