From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tb@becket.net (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: i know -- let's play bridge! 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X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1F0A1E51 63 28 EB DA E6 44 E5 5E EC F3 04 26 4E BF 1A 92 X-Windows: Even your dog won't like it. In-Reply-To: <200208040343.UAA14683@morrowfield.regexps.com> Original-Lines: 62 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 Errors-To: guile-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:958 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.guile.devel:958 Tom Lord writes: > which Tom Lord claims to prefer > > So sorry --- entirely sarcasm. But this is the problem! I belabor, perhaps, unnecessarily: 1: You post a bizzare message, without context or relevance, 2: You decline to say what it means, in any way, 3: You then say "oh, I was just kidding". The "oh, I was just kidding" defense is itself cheating. It's what people say after they say the most offensive things. Sometimes it's true, and honest, but even then, it's not just "sarcasm". One wonders if the "I was just kidding" would have showed up if the perpetrator had not been called on it. Now, bridge is a relatively trivial thing (unless you're livelihood is connected with the sport). But this is not about whether Tom thinks cheating at bridge is okay. Indeed, Tom's later response, that "Tom Lord" should also be understood as a variable, pretends to be a joshing tone, a lively banter, when in fact, it's a deceptive and, well, I think malicious attempt to discourage us from looking at the facts. Having been, essentialy, told off--I basically said "Tom, you're lying to us when you pretend to be part of our community"--Tom replies "If you mean 'Tom' to be a variable, then Yes!" But that, of course, removes the content. It pretends that he's "going along with us", when in fact, he's just being destructive. Now we can see this pattern in many ways--those of us who have known Tom for, oh, sixteen years, have perhaps seen the pattern more commonly than we care to repeat. I let people fill in the details with their own experiences. I describe the pattern *not* because I want to describe a pattern in the abstract, without reference to anything, but rather, because I want to name a malicious entity in our midst--one who simply refuses to "play nice" and to get along pleasantly with the other kids in the sandbox. Now, Tom could simply decide to play nice. He doesn't need to give any retractions, any auto-da-fe's, any claims to behave nicer in the future. Such would, really, not be trusted, I think. But he can decide to start actually playing nice. I hold out the hope. Indeed, I held out the hope, and periodically, I send a friendly message to Tom in the hopes that he will play nice. But alas, he doesn't! Everything is cryptic, bizarre, half-stated and mostly unstated. Tom, are you going to play friendly? Please try. The coy routine is tired, sad, boring. It's not really very clever to pretend to be a Man-O-Mystery. It's not that clever to play tricks on other people--to cheat--only so that you can have that smug and self-assured confidence that you know what the "real truth" is--though, of course, the only "real truth" is that you're cheating. Thomas _______________________________________________ Guile-devel mailing list Guile-devel@gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/guile-devel