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From: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>
To: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: thoughts on ports
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:40:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hamfdg9q.fsf@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87aa2jqlst.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic Courtès"'s message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2012 00:11:46 +0200")

Hi,

Again, picking up old things:

On Wed 11 Apr 2012 00:11, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com> skribis:
>
>> Obviously we need ports implemented in C because of bootstrapping
>> concerns.  But can we give Scheme access to buffering and the underlying
>> fill (read) / drain (write) / wait (select) operations?
>>
>> So, the idea: refactor the port buffers (read, write, putback) to be
>> Scheme bytevectors, and internally store offsets instead of pointers.
>> Give access to some internal port primitives to a new (ice-9 ports)
>> module.
>>
>> I think we can manage to make (ice-9 ports) operate in both binary and
>> textual modes without a problem, just as we do with cports.  We'll have
>> to expose some iconv primitives to (ice-9 ports), but that's just as
>> well.  (Perhaps we should supply an (ice-9 iconv) module ?)
>
> I like the idea (more Scheme!).  However, it’s not clear to me what the
> performance impact would be with Guile’s current state.
>
> For instance, while ‘read’ remains in C, it can only suffer from such a
> change.  Conversely, things like ‘get-u8’ and ‘get-bytevector-n!’ may be
> faster.  OTOH, the equivalent of ‘get_utf8_codepoint’ is likely to be
> much slower.  And we still need to call out to C for ‘iconv’ and
> libunistring.

As a thought experiment, I don't see why things should have to slow
down.  Master has `scm_c_take_gc_bytevector', which can be used to wrap
the existing scm_t_port::write_buf, ::read_buf, and ::putback_buf
members.  At the cost of three allocations per port and three words per
allocation (bytevector tag, length, and pointer), we could give access
to these internal buffers to Scheme without affecting the C code at all.

We could go farther and allocate the buffers as bytevectors directly,
which would entail an additional indirection for C to get at the length
and data, but the length and data would all be contiguous anyway so in
practice I don't see it being too bad.

I'll see what I can do in a branch.

Andy
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-17 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-08 20:21 thoughts on ports Andy Wingo
2012-04-09 19:15 ` Mike Gran
2012-04-09 20:21   ` Noah Lavine
2012-04-10 22:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-01-17 14:40   ` Andy Wingo [this message]
2013-01-18 21:27     ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-01-20 20:21       ` Andy Wingo
2013-01-20 22:11         ` Ludovic Courtès
2012-04-11 18:36 ` Mark H Weaver

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