From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: guild hall update Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:49:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87fwkt6ujn.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <87wre5jv0r.fsf@pobox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1314046644 11095 80.91.229.12 (22 Aug 2011 20:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel To: Andy Wingo Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 22 22:57:20 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbYd-0007Ty-Kw for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:57:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49207 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbS6-0000jw-Vh for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:50:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbS3-0000iy-VI for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:50:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbS3-0007xH-01 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:50:31 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp209.alice.it ([82.57.200.105]:52731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbS2-0007x4-2n for guile-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:50:30 -0400 Original-Received: from ambire.localdomain (79.30.64.29) by smtp209.alice.it (8.5.124.08) id 4E2CB712023D104A; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:50:26 +0200 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QvbR6-0005IS-Ms; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:49:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wre5jv0r.fsf@pobox.com> (Andy Wingo's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:00:52 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 82.57.200.105 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:12717 Archived-At: () Andy Wingo () Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:00:52 +0200 Another big change is that I renamed the package. The problem was that the package itself isn't really a "guild hall" -- it marks you as a member of the guild, giving you access to various guild halls on the net. After some hemming and hawwing I renamed it to "sigil" -- a graphic sign that marks you as a member of some group. I kind of dislike the "marked as a member of some group" meme, whether expressed as "guild" or "sigil". Traditionally, guilds were irascibly exclusive, subverting competition, introducing proprietary "extensions" and "trade marks", and (ultimately) capturing and controlling the prevalent regulatory regime. (Side note: For a contemporary example at grander / graver scale, see U.S. SEC MUI memory holing.) It bothers me that there is a "join and (only then you will) be cool" mindset at all. The nice property of tools (and objects, as opposed to organizations, in general, i suppose) is that people do not belong to them, and can share them. If the term "tool" (e.g., "guile-tool") is too boring, might i suggest something exciting but still tool-ish, like "sword" or "club" (or "cudgel" :-D) or "wand" or "knife" or "blade" or "zapper"? Plenty of acronym fodder, there, as well. Or just go w/ acronyms directly: "tool of choice" => "toc", "advanced package tool" => "apt", etc. BTW, I think the long word "guile-package-manager" is fine, too. You can alias "sigil" to that, as that strikes your fancy, and others can do the same, or different, as it strikes theirs. [...] Looks pretty cool; keep up the good work!