From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark H Weaver Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: A comprehensible introduction to Ian Grant's ideas Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:22 -0400 Message-ID: <87fvf4fl9p.fsf@netris.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412401074 7104 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2014 05:37:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 05:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org To: Ian Grant Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 04 07:37:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI2O-0008Et-5u for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:37:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42655 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI2N-0005UO-8q for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI2D-0005TM-6G for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI27-0002XG-Oi for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from world.peace.net ([96.39.62.75]:53599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI27-0002XC-Kg for guile-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from c-24-62-95-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([24.62.95.23] helo=jojen) by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XaI1z-0003Lf-Nw; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 01:37:23 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 96.39.62.75 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:17537 Archived-At: Ian, you are a _terrible_ communicator. IMO, your biggest problems are: 1. You present your ideas in a far too abstract way, making it hard for those of us who haven't already been long acquainted with your ideas to begin to understand them. 2. You write far too much, making it hard for us to find the few writings of yours that might be able to get through our thick skulls. 3. You insult us, making us predisposed to want to dismiss you. However, I found a blog post of yours that I believe is a relatively good introduction to your ideas. I suspect this is because it is a response to Paul Koning, who had the effect of keeping your thoughts organized, and less abstracted. * * * For those who would like to try to understand Ian's ideas, I would recommend first reading this excellent interview with Edsger Dijkstra, which Ian cites in his post: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/misc/vanVlissingenInterview.html and then read Ian's response to Paul Koning: http://livelogic.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-free-fair-and-forged.html Best, Mark