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From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.de>
To: "Linus Björnstam" <linus.bjornstam@fastmail.se>
Cc: guile-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Inconsistency with expressions between definitions
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:02:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs33v9ft.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fee8a57f-ab13-6399-f407-3219f9c35ba4@fastmail.se>

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Hi,

Linus Björnstam <linus.bjornstam@fastmail.se> writes:

> When you are not referencing x before defining y everything works as
> you want. There is no, so to say, temporal dependency on how the
> things are bound. When you introduce (display x) before actually
> defining y you force letrec* to bind x to the unspecified value,
> because display has side-effects and you don't move around
> side-effecting code.

This is a technical explanation. It answers "how does this happen?"
(thank you for that!), but not "why is this the correct behavior?".

The core problem I see: if you inject some logging code between the
defines, the behavior changes.

I would expect that referencing a variable that can’t yet be used in an
intermediate expression (between defines) would not cause a (potentially
subtle) behavior change, but would throw an error: variable used in
expression that depends on later define.

Racket does not support defines using later defines at all:

$ racket
> (define (using-later-variable)
>      (define x y)
>      (define y #t)
>      x)
> (using-later-variable)
y: undefined;
 cannot use before initialization
 [,bt for context]

Best wishes,
Arne
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-24 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-24  7:09 Inconsistency with expressions between definitions Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-09-24 11:58 ` Linus Björnstam
2023-09-24 16:02   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide [this message]
2023-09-25 12:48     ` Linus Björnstam
2023-09-25 13:53       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide

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