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From: Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net>
To: Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>
Cc: Andy Wingo <wingo@pobox.com>,
	"guile-user@gnu.org" <guile-user@gnu.org>,
	guile-devel <guile-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: anyone define port types?
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 01:44:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87egarvb5p.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1603302151520.12120@wedemob> (Jan Wedekind's message of "Wed, 30 Mar 2016 22:01:41 +0100 (BST)")

Jan Wedekind <jan@wedesoft.de>:

> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> GOOPS' has the worst possible object model: objects are seen as mere
>> data records. The concept of a "slot" is an anathema to OOP.
>
> Ok, I have updated the example to use accessor functions instead of
> "slot-ref".

(get-x) is only a fig leaf for (slot-ref). In general, no user of an <a>
object should think the object holds a piece of information called x.
Instead, you should be interacting with the abstract object <a>.

Python people call it duck-typing.

Java, Go et al use interfaces.

Even C can do opaque structs.

C++ suffers from "private" data members, and GOOPS strips away even that
thin veil.

Remember:

   [...] during her journey south to be married, the young queen-to-be
   passed through a town that was famed for its silk stockings, then
   rare and expensive items. Wishing to show her due courtesy, the
   merchants of the town offered to present her with a pair. [...] The
   Queen’s courtiers were aghast at this embarrassing breach of decorum,
   regarded as both indecent and audacious, and one replied loftily that
   “The Queen of Spain has no legs”.
   <URL: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-que2.htm>


Marko



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-30 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-28 19:04 anyone define port types? Andy Wingo
2016-03-28 23:53 ` Matt Wette
2016-04-05 14:06   ` Mark H Weaver
2016-04-05 23:55     ` Matt Wette
2016-06-11 16:50       ` Andy Wingo
2016-03-29  7:58 ` tomas
2016-03-29  8:52 ` Nala Ginrut
2016-03-30  6:29 ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 11:18   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2016-03-30 17:17     ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 17:53       ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:02         ` Panicz Maciej Godek
2016-03-30 19:57           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-31 16:11             ` Barry Fishman
2016-03-31 19:28               ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 19:43         ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-30 20:07           ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-03-30 21:01             ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-30 22:44               ` Marko Rauhamaa [this message]
2016-03-31 20:42                 ` Jan Wedekind
2016-03-31 22:28                   ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-11 16:53   ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-01 14:38 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 16:57   ` Andy Wingo
2016-04-14 14:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-11 17:02   ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-12  8:25     ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19  9:13       ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19  9:55         ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-19 15:27           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 15:33         ` Chris Vine
2016-06-19 17:48           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-19 20:09             ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20  3:38               ` William ML Leslie
2016-06-20  6:45                 ` Chris Vine
2016-06-20  7:34                   ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-20  9:01                     ` Chris Vine
2016-06-22 22:44                       ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23  7:36                         ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23  8:56                           ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23  9:24                           ` Chris Vine
2016-06-23  9:50                             ` Marko Rauhamaa
2016-06-23 10:43                             ` Andy Wingo
2016-06-23 11:49                               ` William ML Leslie

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