From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Lemmer Webber Newsgroups: gmane.lisp.guile.devel Subject: Re: FOSDEM 2019 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2019 16:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: <87d0o6c4fh.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <87o97sv51q.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="162585"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 Cc: guile-devel To: Arne Babenhauserheide Original-X-From: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 06 13:13:05 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: guile-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grM4e-000gB5-PC for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 13:13:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49402 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grM4d-0008W2-OG for guile-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grM3m-0008Df-4E for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:12:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grM3l-0000TQ-DS for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:12:10 -0500 Original-Received: from dustycloud.org ([2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:cb51]:35046) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grM3l-0000So-88 for guile-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 07:12:09 -0500 Original-Received: from jasmine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dustycloud.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B13C266C6; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 07:12:05 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: <87o97sv51q.fsf@web.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:cb51 X-BeenThere: guile-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guile-devel-bounces+guile-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "guile-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.lisp.guile.devel:19830 Archived-At: Arne Babenhauserheide writes: > Mikael Djurfeldt writes: > >> It was a great experience and joy for me to meet some of you at FOSDEM >> 2019. Thank you all! > > Thank you, too! > >> Now a piece of advice. >> >> Everyone who works with Guile knows that it's crap and look with envy at >> projects like Chez and Racket, right? > > I=E2=80=99ll ignore for a moment that this is a rhethoric method and answ= er > directly: No, I don=E2=80=99t think that Guile is crap. It is actually re= ally > good, and while there are missing parts, I enjoy working in Guile more > than I enjoy working in Python. Even when I use parentheses :-) > > The talk by Christopher Webber basically described the importance of > shiny =E2=80=94 all the bits other people already polished. A similar arg= ument > cuts for using Python, and even Java. > > This does not make it invalid: Chris is right that shiny is important; > but it is not all-important, especially not in the long run. And > different from many other projects, Guile takes the long run seriously. Oops, I misquoted Arne as Janneke in my last email... my bad. :)